RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence
September 3, 2013 at 5:49 pm
(This post was last modified: September 3, 2013 at 5:51 pm by genkaus.)
(September 3, 2013 at 5:20 pm)Chas Wrote: If you cannot determine how morality is defined,
What is this, bait-and-switch day? I said i cannot define how morality is determined. I can certainly determine how morality is defined.
(September 3, 2013 at 5:20 pm)Chas Wrote: how can you determine what is or is not moral for our solitary person?
I can.
(September 3, 2013 at 5:20 pm)Chas Wrote: There seem to be only two answers:
- Morality is objective, or
- Morality is imposed.
And the third - morality is self-determined. And the fourth - morality is determined by agreement. And maybe a fifth and a sixth and so on.
(September 3, 2013 at 5:20 pm)Chas Wrote: If morality is objective, then it can be arrived at rationally.
Correction - if a particular morality is objective, then it can be arrived at rationally.
(September 3, 2013 at 5:20 pm)Chas Wrote: If it is imposed, then it is imposed by an outside agency.
That's usually what imposed means.
(September 3, 2013 at 5:20 pm)Chas Wrote: Morality is defined as our behavior in regards to its effects on other people.
This is the first time I've seen this definition. And I can't find this definition in any dictionary. Nor can I see any of the existing definitions logically implying this one. The only part I can find is "Morality is defined as our behavior as regards to how it should be".
Which dictionary are you referring to again?
(September 3, 2013 at 5:20 pm)Chas Wrote: If you don't agree with that, then please provide examples of moral strictures that should be followed by our solitary person.
You can find thousands of such moral strictures in religions and philosophies all over the world.
- Don't eat pork.
- Don't masturbate.
- Think pure thoughts.
- Pray five times a day.
- Eat vegetarian.
- Work hard.
- Don't be hedonistic.
- Don't be lazy.
- Respect nature.
According to different religions and philosophies, these moral strictures should be and can be followed by the our solitary person.
(September 3, 2013 at 5:36 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: No, but there seems to be a fundamental disagreement on the definition that seems... unlikely to be resolved.
If we can't agree on the definition of morality, how are we going to judge the validity of moral argument?