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Pleasure and Joy

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RE: Pleasure and Joy

September 4, 2013 at 10:31 am

(September 4, 2013 at 8:33 am)genkaus Wrote: Nope. Proof of subjective experience lies in the behavior.

We have covered this before.

Nope. You've tried before, and fallen short.

It may be that subjective experience of an organism (if it exists) may result in a particular behavior, but it does not follow that all occurrences of a behavior necessarily prove subjective experience. Remember? Dogs. Tails. Cyberboys. Assumptions. Circles.

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Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - May 8, 2013 at 2:11 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Silver - May 8, 2013 at 2:50 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - May 9, 2013 at 2:25 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by littleendian - May 21, 2013 at 7:54 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Baalzebutt - May 8, 2013 at 2:51 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Angrboda - May 8, 2013 at 5:54 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Neo-Scholastic - May 21, 2013 at 10:05 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Tonus - May 21, 2013 at 10:14 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - August 24, 2013 at 11:46 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - August 24, 2013 at 2:35 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - August 25, 2013 at 7:07 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 31, 2013 at 8:11 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - August 25, 2013 at 7:19 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - August 26, 2013 at 1:09 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - August 26, 2013 at 2:16 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - August 26, 2013 at 6:50 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - August 25, 2013 at 1:58 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Walking Void - August 25, 2013 at 9:04 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by freedomfromforum - August 25, 2013 at 12:40 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Neo-Scholastic - August 26, 2013 at 7:54 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - August 26, 2013 at 8:21 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - August 26, 2013 at 11:58 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - August 27, 2013 at 5:11 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - August 27, 2013 at 10:06 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - August 27, 2013 at 10:31 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - August 27, 2013 at 4:31 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Bad Writer - August 27, 2013 at 8:46 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - August 27, 2013 at 11:32 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - August 31, 2013 at 7:07 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - August 31, 2013 at 10:23 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - August 31, 2013 at 5:41 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 6, 2013 at 3:49 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - September 7, 2013 at 2:38 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - September 7, 2013 at 2:21 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 7, 2013 at 2:40 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - August 28, 2013 at 1:46 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - August 28, 2013 at 4:27 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - August 31, 2013 at 7:18 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Esquilax - August 31, 2013 at 8:19 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - September 6, 2013 at 4:13 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 6, 2013 at 5:19 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - September 7, 2013 at 2:47 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 7, 2013 at 2:50 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 7, 2013 at 2:54 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - September 9, 2013 at 4:08 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 9, 2013 at 4:11 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 7, 2013 at 5:34 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 7, 2013 at 1:56 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 7, 2013 at 3:45 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - September 9, 2013 at 3:47 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 9, 2013 at 3:51 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 9, 2013 at 5:10 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - September 12, 2013 at 1:33 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 12, 2013 at 3:54 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - September 15, 2013 at 7:52 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 15, 2013 at 10:17 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 15, 2013 at 4:18 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 15, 2013 at 1:18 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - September 25, 2013 at 12:40 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Zazzy - September 25, 2013 at 1:08 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 27, 2013 at 8:27 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 12, 2013 at 5:24 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - August 31, 2013 at 11:05 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - September 7, 2013 at 1:51 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 7, 2013 at 2:12 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 7, 2013 at 2:52 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - September 9, 2013 at 4:41 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by FifthElement - September 1, 2013 at 12:23 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - August 27, 2013 at 1:27 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Ryantology - August 28, 2013 at 8:54 pm

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Captain Colostomy - August 28, 2013 at 9:54 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Neo-Scholastic - August 28, 2013 at 11:06 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Bad Writer - August 28, 2013 at 11:21 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Esquilax - August 29, 2013 at 4:21 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Anomalocaris - August 29, 2013 at 11:01 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Silver - August 29, 2013 at 4:42 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by bennyboy - August 29, 2013 at 11:15 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Captain Colostomy - August 30, 2013 at 1:34 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Neo-Scholastic - August 27, 2013 at 7:35 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - August 27, 2013 at 9:12 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Neo-Scholastic - August 25, 2013 at 9:14 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 27, 2013 at 7:13 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - August 31, 2013 at 6:51 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - August 31, 2013 at 7:18 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - September 6, 2013 at 3:34 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 7, 2013 at 1:49 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - September 9, 2013 at 2:10 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 9, 2013 at 3:11 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 9, 2013 at 3:28 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 28, 2013 at 5:29 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by bennyboy - August 28, 2013 at 8:29 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - August 28, 2013 at 8:44 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 28, 2013 at 7:39 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Neo-Scholastic - August 28, 2013 at 8:39 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - August 29, 2013 at 2:18 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Neo-Scholastic - August 29, 2013 at 9:36 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - August 30, 2013 at 1:36 am

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Esquilax - August 30, 2013 at 10:30 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - August 30, 2013 at 11:32 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Captain Colostomy - August 28, 2013 at 11:24 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by bennyboy - August 30, 2013 at 6:18 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Neo-Scholastic - August 30, 2013 at 7:44 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - August 31, 2013 at 12:43 am

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - August 31, 2013 at 6:54 am

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 1, 2013 at 11:32 am

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 2, 2013 at 5:41 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by bennyboy - September 2, 2013 at 6:16 am

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by bennyboy - September 2, 2013 at 8:59 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 2, 2013 at 11:33 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by bennyboy - September 3, 2013 at 12:41 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 3, 2013 at 1:43 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by bennyboy - September 3, 2013 at 7:14 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 3, 2013 at 11:30 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by bennyboy - September 3, 2013 at 5:16 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 3, 2013 at 5:34 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by bennyboy - September 3, 2013 at 9:06 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Neo-Scholastic - September 3, 2013 at 7:35 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Neo-Scholastic - August 31, 2013 at 11:03 am

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 1, 2013 at 12:49 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Chas - September 2, 2013 at 10:28 am

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by bennyboy - September 1, 2013 at 9:50 pm

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Neo-Scholastic - September 2, 2013 at 10:49 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 2, 2013 at 11:35 am

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 4, 2013 at 12:39 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by bennyboy - September 4, 2013 at 2:55 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 4, 2013 at 3:02 am

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 5, 2013 at 12:10 am

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 5, 2013 at 1:29 am

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 5, 2013 at 3:39 am

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by bennyboy - September 5, 2013 at 11:15 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by bennyboy - September 5, 2013 at 6:16 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 5, 2013 at 9:12 am

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 6, 2013 at 2:41 am

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 6, 2013 at 8:52 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by bennyboy - September 6, 2013 at 10:45 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - September 6, 2013 at 11:22 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Neo-Scholastic - September 6, 2013 at 7:38 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Cato - September 5, 2013 at 11:25 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by downbeatplumb - September 6, 2013 at 1:46 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by bennyboy - September 6, 2013 at 6:40 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 7, 2013 at 2:25 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - September 9, 2013 at 3:52 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 9, 2013 at 4:06 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 17, 2013 at 4:26 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - September 25, 2013 at 2:06 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 26, 2013 at 1:58 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 26, 2013 at 1:01 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Neo-Scholastic - September 7, 2013 at 9:27 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by downbeatplumb - September 15, 2013 at 8:01 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - September 17, 2013 at 1:09 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 17, 2013 at 2:02 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 17, 2013 at 5:48 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - September 26, 2013 at 3:10 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by gilbertc06 - September 21, 2013 at 5:08 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - October 6, 2013 at 1:25 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Harris - October 6, 2013 at 2:28 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by genkaus - October 6, 2013 at 4:32 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - October 6, 2013 at 4:57 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by Zazzy - October 7, 2013 at 9:13 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by paulpablo - October 7, 2013 at 1:39 pm

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by KichigaiNeko - October 6, 2013 at 4:39 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by max-greece - October 6, 2013 at 4:43 am

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RE: Pleasure and Joy - by max-greece - October 6, 2013 at 6:07 am

RE: Pleasure and Joy - by gilbertc06 - October 6, 2013 at 10:48 pm

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