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Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics
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RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics
(September 12, 2013 at 10:11 pm)genkaus Wrote: [2] - Here, even with rejection of Plato's theory, he is implicitly assuming that Plato's Forms and Aristotle's forms refer to one and the same concept.

I would say this is what he agrees with. He considers forms to be the same thing in both philosophers' views. A summary of Aristotle, in Feser's words:

Quote:Like Plato, Aristotle is a realist in the sense we've been discussing. But he thinks Plato needs to be brought down to earth a bit. For Aristotle, universals or forms are real, and they are not reducible to anything either material or mental. Still, he thinks it is an error to regard them as objects existing in a "third realm" of their own. Rather, considered as they are in themselves they exist only "in" the things they are forms of; and considered as abstractions from these things, they exist only in the intellect. Furthermore, even the intellect relies on the senses in coming to know them.

(September 12, 2013 at 11:01 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:
(September 12, 2013 at 10:16 pm)Chas Wrote: Daniel C. Dennett is one of the "new atheists". To claim he is "stupid ... in philosophy" is absurd.
Agreed. He's not stupid; he's a zombie. It's the people who take him seriously that I wonder about.

(September 12, 2013 at 10:16 pm)Chas Wrote: And the claim that naturalism makes reason and morality impossible is ignorant.
Actually, those are are the logical conclusions of naturalism.

I'd assume you're not a naturalist. Haha. What do you mean by zombie? Just curious of your whole take on the subject.
"The consolations of philosophy and the beauties of science; these things are infinitely more awe-inspiring and regenerating and majestic than any invocation of the burning bush or doctrine." - Christopher Hitchens
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RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by Angrboda - September 11, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by Ryantology - September 11, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by genkaus - September 12, 2013 at 9:50 am
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by genkaus - September 12, 2013 at 11:49 am
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by genkaus - September 12, 2013 at 9:05 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by CapnAwesome - September 12, 2013 at 9:55 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by genkaus - September 12, 2013 at 10:11 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by InevitableCheese - September 12, 2013 at 11:11 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by genkaus - September 12, 2013 at 11:23 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by genkaus - September 15, 2013 at 1:40 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by genkaus - September 12, 2013 at 10:20 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by genkaus - September 12, 2013 at 6:16 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by CapnAwesome - September 12, 2013 at 9:39 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by Chas - September 12, 2013 at 10:16 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by genkaus - September 12, 2013 at 11:18 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by Chas - September 13, 2013 at 9:11 am
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by CapnAwesome - September 15, 2013 at 2:46 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by genkaus - September 13, 2013 at 7:53 am

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