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Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics
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RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics
(September 12, 2013 at 11:23 pm)genkaus Wrote: Thus demonstrating his poor understanding of the two metaphysical systems. The difference between Plato's universals and Aristotle's universals is so great that it cannot be described as a 'reinterpretation' as he does.

Started reading other sources about Aristotle's Universals, and it definitely is a big difference. And if God is this "ultimate form" or "form of good" or whatever, that definitely contradicts with Christian theological ideas about God, namely his omnipresence, for example.

Aquinas moves on to God being a being of Pure Actuality, and in his Unmoved mover argument, since everything that is actualized is actualized by something outside of itself to reach it's potentiality, this leads to an infinite regress. So, there would have to be a being that causes that first actualization in every actualization that occurs at every moment of reality. Every movement of these keystrokes would have to be "sustained by God".

Different from this was the First Cause argument. Basically, just because we have an "essence" or "form", doesn't entail that we actually exist. Our essence or nature can't be what accounts for our "continuing to exist". In Feser's words, the rest of the argument:

Quote:Now, relative to matter, the form or essence is "actuality" - it actualizes the potential in the matter, in this case making it [a human being] a living human body rather than a cat or an apple. But as we've just seen, there's nothing about a form or essence per se that guarantees that it exists or informs anything. Like George Bush, Socrates, and Bruce Wayne, being human beings, are composites of form and matter, but unlike Bush they aren't real, since Socrates is dead and Bruce Wayne is fictional. So, though "actual" relative to matter, a form or essence is only "potential" relative to existence or being. Existence or being is what "actualizes" a form or essence.

Now if the essence of a thing and the existence of the thing are distinct in this way - there is nothing int he former that entails the latter - then something needs to put them together if the thing is to be real. That "something" obviously can't be the thing itself, for to give itself existence, a thing would have to exist already, and the whole point is that since existence still needs to be added to its essence it doesn't exist already. So, nothing can cause itself; whatever comes into existence, or more generally whatever must have existence added to its essence in order for it to be real, must be caused by another. This is the "principle of causality" (also sometimes known as a version of the "principle of sufficient reason"). Notice that it does not say that "Everything has a cause" - something which, as I have said, Aquinas never asserted or would have asserted. The principle says only that what does not have existence on its own must have a cause.

The conclusion is drawn that there has to be a "being to whom the essence/existence distinction doesn't apply at all, who is pure existence, pure being, full stop: not a being, strictly speaking, but Being itself."

And lastly, the argument of Supreme Intelligence:

Quote:Now go back to the vast system of causes that constitutes the physical universe. Every one of them is directed toward a certain end or final cause. Yet almost none of them is associated with any consciousness, thought, or intellect at all; and even animals and human beings, who are conscious, are themselves comprised in whole or in part of unconscious and unintelligent material components which themselves manifest final causality. Yet it is impossible for anything to be directed toward an end unless that end exists in an intellect which directs the thing in question toward it. And it follows, therefore, that the system of ends or final causes that make up the physical universe can only exist at all because there is a Supreme Intelligence or intellect outside that universe which directs things toward their ends.
"The consolations of philosophy and the beauties of science; these things are infinitely more awe-inspiring and regenerating and majestic than any invocation of the burning bush or doctrine." - Christopher Hitchens
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RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by Angrboda - September 11, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by Ryantology - September 11, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by genkaus - September 12, 2013 at 9:50 am
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by genkaus - September 12, 2013 at 11:49 am
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by genkaus - September 12, 2013 at 9:05 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by CapnAwesome - September 12, 2013 at 9:55 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by genkaus - September 12, 2013 at 10:11 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by genkaus - September 12, 2013 at 11:23 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by InevitableCheese - September 12, 2013 at 11:58 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by genkaus - September 15, 2013 at 1:40 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by genkaus - September 12, 2013 at 10:20 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by genkaus - September 12, 2013 at 6:16 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by CapnAwesome - September 12, 2013 at 9:39 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by Chas - September 12, 2013 at 10:16 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by genkaus - September 12, 2013 at 11:18 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by Chas - September 13, 2013 at 9:11 am
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by CapnAwesome - September 15, 2013 at 2:46 pm
RE: Plato, Aristotle, Aquinas, and Metaphysics - by genkaus - September 13, 2013 at 7:53 am

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