Science And The Bible - Introduction

[Daystar]

Biogenesis is an absolute, undisputed fact.

Yes, apart from nothing in science being absolute, biogenesis is an absolute, undisputed fact

Kyu

Hmmm . . . this is going to take a while, isn't it?

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Well abiogenesis is the study of how life on Earth emerged from inanimate organic and inorganic molecules. If you want to discuss creation how life on earth started, then I'd certainly include abiogenesis as the opposing view. Evolution is what happened after that to create the diversity in life, with natural selection as the guiding force. Creationists debate that some evolution occurs (they call it microevolution) but I have no doubt that what they call macroevolution is a fact.

So its up to you, but I would include abiogenesis, and the theory of evolution, but try not to pull both together as one.

I have noticed your attempts to give attention to the a in abiogenesis. Lets talk about that. My spell check doesn't allow for abiogenesis. In my 2002 College Dictionary abiogenesis is listed, but only as spontaneous generation. Earlier in this thread you seemed to object to that very word as well as to it as fact. You refer to it as a study.

It is then, the study of the genesis or beginning of biology. Ultimately this would beg the question where did inanimate organic and inorganic molecules come from, would it not? And this isn't fact.

I really have no faith in what creationists think, most creationists don't even know the Bible. Unless someone else thinks it important for some valid reason I am not terribly interested in hearing about it.

Although I am reluctant to include anything that isn't thought to be fact by 'science' itself, I think that the study of abiogenesis might have some relevance in the discussion, but it should be noted, decided or debated as to whether or not it is believed to be fact or not.

Part of this discussion - a big part of it in fact - is the very same question regarding evolution itself, so whatever the outcome it (abiogenesis) should at least be a part of the discussion.

It is duly noted that there should be a distinction between abiogenesis and evolution. The former being the study of how life began and the later being how it changed over time.