RE: Something I want you to imagine
September 23, 2013 at 2:42 pm
(This post was last modified: September 23, 2013 at 2:45 pm by Lemonvariable72.)
(September 23, 2013 at 11:17 am)Drich Wrote:Really? well let me explain, according to the trinity jesus is god and god is jesus, that means that the god that made adam andm eve was also part of the god that died on the cross. And he is fully responsilbe for the fall for the following reasons(September 23, 2013 at 9:18 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: And who put the sin there in the first place?adam/Eve
Quote:God who is Jesus.Really?!? Do explain.
At least that is how it works according to your theology.
1. He created adam and eve without the knowledge of good and evil, thus they had no concept that obeying was good or that eating off the tree was evil.
2. He put the tree where it was easily accessible when he has no stated reason to.
3. He allowed satan into the garden.
4. The fact that he knew what would happen ahead of time and took no action whatsoever to try to stop it.
Quote:In reality since no one can provide any verifiable evidence for god( Cue appeal to personal revelation) there is no reason to think that sin is nothing more then a crime made up to manipulate you, because I as a bible can declare any thing I want a sin.
[manipulate you into what exactly? You do know that redemption is complete freedom from the law do you not?
Yes, complete freedom from a law written by men at best. Chrisitanity has very sophisticated mechanisms to manipulate you. Let me give you a simple overview of a common one, originil sin. Wither adam and eve ever existed or not is beside the point in terms of effect. the concept is designed to convince that you are unworthy to question god or his will. How many horrors have been done because of "god's will?"
(September 23, 2013 at 9:21 am)pocaracas Wrote: Does sin still exist?
If yes, then I call "fail".
Drich Wrote:Sin is only an issue for the Unredeemed.Can you prove that we need redeeming in the first place?
For those who have found redemption sin is a non issue.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
