(September 24, 2013 at 5:24 pm)Drich Wrote:(September 23, 2013 at 2:42 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Really? well let me explain, according to the trinity jesus is god and god is jesus,Your using the term God incorrectly. God is a title and not a name.
Quote:that means that the god that made adam andm eve was also part of the god that died on the cross. And he is fully responsilbe for the fall for the following reasonsWhich is WHY He Died on the Cross, to Redeem Sin.
Quote:1. He created adam and eve without the knowledge of good and evil, thus they had no concept that obeying was good or that eating off the tree was evil.Good and evil have nothing to do with life or death. which is what God attributed to eating from the Tree of knoweledge was going to do to them.
Quote:2. He put the tree where it was easily accessible when he has no stated reason to.Choice. Choice was apart of the equasion from the very beginning.
Quote:3. He allowed satan into the garden.To identify the choice Adam and Eve could not see. After what are options if you do not see them as options?
Quote:4. The fact that he knew what would happen ahead of time and took no action whatsoever to try to stop it.Maybe cause the 'fall' of man was apart of a bigger picture.
Quote:Yes, complete freedom from a law written by men at best. Chrisitanity has very sophisticated mechanisms to manipulate you.This wll be good.
Quote:Let me give you a simple overview of a common one, original sin.actually that is not Biblical Christianity. Orginal sin is a catholic doctrine not found in the bible.
Quote:Wither adam and eve ever existed or not is beside the point in terms of effect. the concept is designed to convince that you are unworthy to question god or his will.again no. that is a doctrine designed by catholic priests to keep them from having to answer questions about their faith.
1Thess 5:21 We are commanded to Test ALL Things and To Hold on to what is Good. This doesnt mean just test the questionable but also test the foundational.
Quote:How many horrors have been done because of "god's will?"None, not one. (Including all the bad stuff found in the OT) Now ask how many horrors have been comitted in the Name of God's will by some religious leader... That you could not put a number to.
Quote:Can you prove that we need redeeming in the first place?Do you sin?
Actually I surprisingly like the advise given in 1thess 5:21, that's actualy why I consider your bible horsehit and your god make believe. And yes original sin is in the bible, it is not called original sin, but jesus and paul both talk about it. And finally your going to tell me that noahs flood isnt a horror? I suggest you read my post on it here and then tell me otherwise.
http://atheistforums.org/thread-20964.html
And btw rahul is right, there is no god therefore no sin
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
