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Science And The Bible - Introduction
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RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction
(December 4, 2008 at 10:55 pm)Daystar Wrote: I have noticed your attempts to give attention to the a in abiogenesis. Lets talk about that.

By all means, lets.

(December 4, 2008 at 10:55 pm)Daystar Wrote: My spell check doesn't allow for abiogenesis.

Mine didn't either so I've added it myself.

(December 4, 2008 at 10:55 pm)Daystar Wrote: In my 2002 College Dictionary abiogenesis is listed, but only as spontaneous generation.

Biogenesis is life forming from life, abiogenesis is life forming from non-life. How that generation of life started is debatable, but that life formed is a fact (not counting the silly "well this could all be a computer simulation" argument). And whether you believe life started with gods creating life or reproducing aminoacids were triggered to copy themselves by some clay catalyst, the fact that we are here means life must have formed somewhere.

(December 4, 2008 at 10:55 pm)Daystar Wrote: Earlier in this thread you seemed to object to that very word as well as to it as fact. You refer to it as a study.

It would appear I am not the only one since people seem to call it that on Wikipedia as well.

(December 4, 2008 at 10:55 pm)Daystar Wrote: It is then, the study of the genesis or beginning of biology. Ultimately this would beg the question where did inanimate organic and inorganic molecules come from, would it not? And this isn't fact.

Sure, I have no problem with that. Just as you would have to define who created your definition of a god at some point.

(December 4, 2008 at 10:55 pm)Daystar Wrote: Although I am reluctant to include anything that isn't thought to be fact by 'science' itself,


Science is all about the discovery and the gathering of fact before they are facts. Science is not about "These are the facts so there" but "We don't know all the facts, lets find out".

(December 4, 2008 at 10:55 pm)Daystar Wrote: I think that the study of abiogenesis might have some relevance in the discussion, but it should be noted, decided or debated as to whether or not it is believed to be fact or not.

Part of this discussion - a big part of it in fact - is the very same question regarding evolution itself, so whatever the outcome it (abiogenesis) should at least be a part of the discussion.

It is duly noted that there should be a distinction between abiogenesis and evolution. The former being the study of how life began and the later being how it changed over time.

I agree.
Best regards,
Leo van Miert
Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall --Torque is how far you take the wall with you
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Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Daystar - December 4, 2008 at 3:44 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by lukec - December 4, 2008 at 3:54 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by CoxRox - December 4, 2008 at 4:35 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by LukeMC - December 4, 2008 at 4:45 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Daystar - December 4, 2008 at 5:54 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by LukeMC - December 4, 2008 at 6:04 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Kyuuketsuki - December 4, 2008 at 6:10 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Daystar - December 4, 2008 at 10:55 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Kyuuketsuki - December 5, 2008 at 4:50 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Daystar - December 5, 2008 at 11:48 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by leo-rcc - December 5, 2008 at 4:55 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Daystar - December 5, 2008 at 5:20 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by leo-rcc - December 6, 2008 at 8:02 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by LukeMC - December 6, 2008 at 8:03 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Daystar - December 4, 2008 at 6:13 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Daystar - December 4, 2008 at 5:20 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Darwinian - December 4, 2008 at 3:58 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by LukeMC - December 4, 2008 at 4:04 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Daystar - December 4, 2008 at 6:08 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by leo-rcc - December 4, 2008 at 6:13 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by LukeMC - December 4, 2008 at 6:20 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Daystar - December 4, 2008 at 6:27 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by LukeMC - December 4, 2008 at 6:32 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by lukec - December 4, 2008 at 4:46 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by LukeMC - December 4, 2008 at 5:25 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by leo-rcc - December 4, 2008 at 6:07 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by leo-rcc - December 4, 2008 at 6:30 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by leo-rcc - December 4, 2008 at 6:34 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by CoxRox - December 4, 2008 at 6:41 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by LukeMC - December 4, 2008 at 6:46 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by leo-rcc - December 4, 2008 at 6:48 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by CoxRox - December 4, 2008 at 6:55 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by LukeMC - December 4, 2008 at 7:04 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by lukec - December 4, 2008 at 7:09 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Edwardo Piet - December 4, 2008 at 7:51 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by CoxRox - December 4, 2008 at 7:10 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by lukec - December 4, 2008 at 7:55 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by leo-rcc - December 4, 2008 at 7:17 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Edwardo Piet - December 4, 2008 at 8:03 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by lukec - December 5, 2008 at 5:55 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Tiberius - December 5, 2008 at 4:42 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by LukeMC - December 5, 2008 at 6:14 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Daystar - December 6, 2008 at 12:19 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by LukeMC - December 6, 2008 at 12:27 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Edwardo Piet - December 6, 2008 at 3:35 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Ace Otana - December 6, 2008 at 4:17 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Edwardo Piet - December 6, 2008 at 9:59 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Daystar - December 9, 2008 at 3:05 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Edwardo Piet - December 9, 2008 at 9:05 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Daystar - December 9, 2008 at 11:39 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by lukec - December 10, 2008 at 1:01 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by lukec - December 5, 2008 at 9:07 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Daystar - December 6, 2008 at 12:28 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by lukec - December 6, 2008 at 5:16 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Ace Otana - December 6, 2008 at 12:21 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Tiberius - December 9, 2008 at 10:29 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Kyuuketsuki - December 12, 2008 at 6:36 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Kyuuketsuki - December 14, 2008 at 8:14 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by DD_8630 - January 7, 2009 at 9:06 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Edwardo Piet - December 9, 2008 at 10:31 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Edwardo Piet - December 10, 2008 at 12:38 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Daystar - December 10, 2008 at 11:47 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Edwardo Piet - December 11, 2008 at 12:50 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Daystar - December 13, 2008 at 8:49 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Edwardo Piet - December 13, 2008 at 8:52 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Daystar - December 13, 2008 at 11:57 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Edwardo Piet - December 14, 2008 at 1:25 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by lukec - December 10, 2008 at 12:04 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Tiberius - December 10, 2008 at 12:18 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by leo-rcc - December 10, 2008 at 12:18 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Daystar - December 11, 2008 at 12:07 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by allan175 - December 11, 2008 at 5:54 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Daystar - December 13, 2008 at 9:13 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by allan175 - December 14, 2008 at 7:13 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Purple Rabbit - December 14, 2008 at 7:44 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by allan175 - December 14, 2008 at 7:55 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Kyuuketsuki - December 11, 2008 at 7:25 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Daystar - December 11, 2008 at 12:00 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by lukec - December 11, 2008 at 5:32 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Purple Rabbit - December 11, 2008 at 7:28 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by leo-rcc - December 11, 2008 at 2:42 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by lukec - December 12, 2008 at 12:25 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Purple Rabbit - December 12, 2008 at 9:22 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by lukec - December 12, 2008 at 1:06 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Rob - December 13, 2008 at 9:23 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Daystar - December 13, 2008 at 10:20 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Tiberius - December 13, 2008 at 9:56 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Darwinian - December 14, 2008 at 5:38 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Darwinian - December 14, 2008 at 8:05 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Tiberius - December 14, 2008 at 9:49 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Edwardo Piet - December 14, 2008 at 9:54 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by LondonLoves - January 26, 2009 at 1:31 pm
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by Giff - January 27, 2009 at 5:32 am
RE: Science And The Bible - Introduction - by lukec - January 26, 2009 at 3:49 pm

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