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Poll: Is this way too friggin long!?
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Morality
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RE: Morality
(January 16, 2010 at 4:38 am)Ephrium Wrote: tackattack,

If you say modern Christianity is about recognising r having faith in the salvation via Jesus C, this and only this, are you saying too they ignore the verse: Faith, without works, is dead?

Sorry this thread kinda of lagged so I never answered. No indeed faith without works is dead, works without faith accomplishes little but both are seperate from salvation. There is the "getting in the door" portiion then the "earning your keep" portion. To accept and follow Christ is the first step to salvation. Then following in the teachings and the word is a continuance of belief/faith visa v works in faith.

(January 23, 2010 at 12:51 am)lukec Wrote:


1. Yes the assumptions are from the bible that God is the creator and Jesus was the son, etc. The bible was the main written source material at the time. Of course he didn't rebuke the 10 commandments, they were inspired by his father. It is not the only source material and that's why we believe in the holy spirit. It's a sort of checks and balances for the errors man incorperates into religion.

2.As far as the moral ambiguity of omnipotence, etc. here are my thoughts. We'll discuss this in 2 areas free will and God's love. I feel we have free will as an excercise in evolving us from animalistic species to more in line with his original plan of us in his image. We can't just know everything and expect us to construct moral right and wrong after. We have to first define our constructs of right and wrong and societal values etc then we can know more and philosophy and science has helped a great deal in that. Secondly we as humans only have our construct of Love as we know it from our experience. You've heard the term my love is a flame or burning love? That's because Love to us costs something, it's sacrifice of time , materials, effort, etc. God's perfect love is none of those things and is impossible for us to grasp as long as we have to reference our existance to our space-time.It's truly an assumption that God does no evil and on Faith. I can see things I deem Bad years later having positive results in my reality or in the world view. We label things as God's allowing this to happen, which is absolutely right. We don't live in a paradise, we were kicked out of there. This is a testing ground to see if we can moralisticaly and physically evolve past our animalistic natures.

3. The rape thing. Once we recognized our free will over our natural instincts we knew we could choose what we wanted and not just what was needed for survival. What ape wouldn't want 30 hot little chimps servicing his every whim. However they are content to do what is necessary for survival and the occasional pleasure. We've become spoiled by being able to consciously see our causations and outcomes and manipulate them to fufill needs. To live in a group requires that rules of conduct also evolve to minimize friction between members. Any individual that would act badly towards other members would find themselves exhiled, which would be a death sentence. Indeed, there are such individuals. We call them criminals. IDK that's just a wild guess I'm not very farmiliar with the intricacies of evolution.

4. I didn't claim that. I claimed that the church changing it's tenants is detrimental to the original tenants. If however theese original tenantswere not in line with what God wanted then they should be changed, based of spiritual need, not monetary os societal need.

5. “results shed new light on the origins of morality, suggesting that not only do complex thoughts guide our moral compass, but also more primitive instincts related to avoiding potential toxins. Surprisingly, our sophisticated moral sense of what is right and wrong may develop from a newborn’s innate preference for what tastes good and bad, what is potentially nutritious versus poisonous.” Adam Anderson on a study he participated in.

I'll get to the rest later I have to go.
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Messages In This Thread
Morality - by lukec - January 14, 2010 at 5:33 am
RE: Morality - by Violet - January 14, 2010 at 2:48 pm
RE: Morality - by lukec - January 14, 2010 at 10:31 pm
RE: Morality - by tackattack - January 14, 2010 at 11:20 pm
RE: Morality - by lukec - January 14, 2010 at 11:47 pm
RE: Morality - by tackattack - January 15, 2010 at 9:08 am
RE: Morality - by Ephrium - January 16, 2010 at 4:38 am
RE: Morality - by lukec - January 15, 2010 at 8:31 pm
RE: Morality - by tackattack - January 16, 2010 at 10:36 am
RE: Morality - by lukec - January 23, 2010 at 12:51 am
RE: Morality - by tackattack - January 23, 2010 at 5:29 pm
RE: Morality - by KichigaiNeko - January 16, 2010 at 12:39 am

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