By the way, is this the best Christians can offer when it comes to proof?
That's a rhetorical question. I know the answer is "yes".
This kind of highly abstract philosophical argument with its thought experiments and spurious assumptions supported by hot air seems to be the best you'll get. Where's the hard evidence promised by the Bible?
Where's the public appearances of Yahweh (Judges 1) or the booming voices from the sky (Mark 1)? Where are the angels that interact with humans regularly throughout the Bible? Why aren't there any magical artifacts that can be submitted to scientific study (i.e. Paul's handkerchiefs in Acts) or faith healings performed under medical peer review (Mark 16:17-18)?
Read your Bible. It depicts a world full of supernatural activity. Now put down the Bible and look around. It's a natural world governed by predictable laws and best understood through science and reason.
Where did your god go? Has he grown shy and withdrawn? He used to be a hands-on deity who wrestled with Jacob, gave a public speech to Judea, showed off his loins to Ezekiel and dropped by Abraham's place for lunch. He flooded worlds, confounded people with different languages and consumed blasphemers with columns of fire.
Where did the angels go? They used to make donkeys talk, assassinate leaders like Herod Antipas and break true believers out of jail when they were persecuted. Have they also grown shy? Have they suddenly decided to respect free will now that we have mass communication, recording technology and a society more skeptical?
What happened to the demons? They used to be responsible for illness and insanity. Now these ailments have natural causes. If the Gospels and Acts are to be believed, Christians could heal by the power of their faith. Out of a billion or so Christians, can we not generate any with enough faith to cast a Cure Light Wounds spell?
"Blah blah blah blah blah, therefore Jesus". That's the best you can offer, is it?
That's a rhetorical question. I know the answer is "yes".
This kind of highly abstract philosophical argument with its thought experiments and spurious assumptions supported by hot air seems to be the best you'll get. Where's the hard evidence promised by the Bible?
Where's the public appearances of Yahweh (Judges 1) or the booming voices from the sky (Mark 1)? Where are the angels that interact with humans regularly throughout the Bible? Why aren't there any magical artifacts that can be submitted to scientific study (i.e. Paul's handkerchiefs in Acts) or faith healings performed under medical peer review (Mark 16:17-18)?
Read your Bible. It depicts a world full of supernatural activity. Now put down the Bible and look around. It's a natural world governed by predictable laws and best understood through science and reason.
Where did your god go? Has he grown shy and withdrawn? He used to be a hands-on deity who wrestled with Jacob, gave a public speech to Judea, showed off his loins to Ezekiel and dropped by Abraham's place for lunch. He flooded worlds, confounded people with different languages and consumed blasphemers with columns of fire.
Where did the angels go? They used to make donkeys talk, assassinate leaders like Herod Antipas and break true believers out of jail when they were persecuted. Have they also grown shy? Have they suddenly decided to respect free will now that we have mass communication, recording technology and a society more skeptical?
What happened to the demons? They used to be responsible for illness and insanity. Now these ailments have natural causes. If the Gospels and Acts are to be believed, Christians could heal by the power of their faith. Out of a billion or so Christians, can we not generate any with enough faith to cast a Cure Light Wounds spell?
"Blah blah blah blah blah, therefore Jesus". That's the best you can offer, is it?
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
