(October 9, 2013 at 9:17 am)pocaracas Wrote:(October 9, 2013 at 8:02 am)Rational AKD Wrote: show me one time a successful attempt at forcing love. i'm not speaking for the planet, i'm speaking for what is possible and impossible. you can't force love. if God revealed himself, humans would either fear and try to become self-righteous or fear him and rebel against him. neither of those reactions are what God wants. tell me, if God showed up to you and showed you his awesome power, would this cause you to love him?
Excuses, excuses, excuses... I guess that's why they call it apologia...
If such a god does in fact exist AND does not want us to actually know about it, then how do you know about it?
How does anyone know about it?
Why would I be required to believe what you people say about it?
Love from gullibility?... no, thank you.
I didn't say that... you're straw manning. I said God doesn't want to make his existence undeniable to everyone. to be more accurate, he doesn't want to gather followers by convincing them of his existence. how do we know anything about him? because he reveals it in the bible. I would say there's good enough evidence supporting the bible's claims, though of course it's not undeniable. but that's the point. the bible isn't meant to necessarily convince people of his existence, but to tell us about him once we're convinced.
Quote:If such an entity would appear to me and show me, beyond a doubt, that it was indeed the creator god, I'd like to have a bit of a chat as part of that demonstration. I'd expect to be convinced that it had darn good reasons to do whatever has been done in the past by said entity. Heck, this wouldn't be beyond its power, would it?good reasons? lol, I suspect his answer would be similar to his answer to Job in Job 38-41.
Love is earned, like respect and admiration. Not believed into existence.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
-Galileo