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An Explanation of the Trinity?
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RE: An Explanation of the Trinity?

Aquinas said if anyone says they understand the trinity, they are lying. Even he said he didn't get it.

What it is though, is unequivocal proof of how humans cooked up this shit, then demanded assent to their stew of crap. For centuries, they (the old guys in dresses) argued about this.
The "filioque procedit" argument went on for centuries, as they argued over it's recipe. The term ("filioque" ... Latin for "and the son") refers to their holy spirit, and refers to the phrase in the Western version of the Nicene Creed which says that the Holy Spirit "proceeds" from the Father "and the Son". This was NOT in the confessions actually agreed to in the councils, .. Nicaea (325 BCE) and Constantinople (381). You can read the proceedings of all the councils online. The "preceeding FROM BOTH" first appears/inserted, in the proceedings of the Council of Toledo (589) and was vehemently opposed. It was not officially endorsed until 1017. Photius of Constantinople denounced it in the ninth century, and it formed the main doctrinal issue in the rupture (Great Schism), along with the primacy of Roman authority, in 1054. There was an attempted compromise at Florence in 1439, but it flopped. Among the "fathers", Hilary, Jerome, Ambrose, Augustine, Epiphanius, and Cyril of Alexandria may be seen to have agreed with it; Theodore of Mopsuestia and Theodoret against it; and the Cappadocians tried to walk in the middle .. "from the Father through the Son."

In support of the Eastern side, there's this : John (15:26) speaks only of a proceeding from the Father. Second, the addition NEVER had "ecumenical" approval.

There's so much wrong with this crap, it's impossible to know where to even begin. First and foremost, it refutes Judaic monotheism, (except by Special Pleading it away). Divine beings in the OT were in no way held to be equivalent to Yahweh, (and there were many).
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell  Popcorn

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An Explanation of the Trinity? - by FallentoReason - October 8, 2013 at 1:25 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Faith No More - October 8, 2013 at 2:08 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Doubting Thomas - October 8, 2013 at 10:01 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Minimalist - October 8, 2013 at 2:15 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by max-greece - October 8, 2013 at 3:53 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Captain Colostomy - October 8, 2013 at 4:15 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 8, 2013 at 4:32 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by FallentoReason - October 8, 2013 at 6:57 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Godschild - October 9, 2013 at 12:44 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by FallentoReason - October 9, 2013 at 4:45 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Godschild - October 9, 2013 at 11:47 pm
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by FallentoReason - October 10, 2013 at 12:09 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Minimalist - October 9, 2013 at 12:49 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by max-greece - October 9, 2013 at 1:38 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Minimalist - October 9, 2013 at 2:15 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by freedomfromforum - October 9, 2013 at 2:37 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by NoraBrimstone - October 10, 2013 at 5:34 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by FallentoReason - October 10, 2013 at 5:56 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Faith No More - October 10, 2013 at 9:48 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by FallentoReason - October 10, 2013 at 10:53 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Faith No More - October 10, 2013 at 11:03 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by FallentoReason - October 10, 2013 at 11:12 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Faith No More - October 10, 2013 at 11:26 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by FallentoReason - October 10, 2013 at 11:50 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Faith No More - October 10, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by daandaan - October 10, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Minimalist - October 10, 2013 at 11:02 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Airyaman - October 10, 2013 at 7:21 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Godschild - October 11, 2013 at 1:43 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by daandaan - October 11, 2013 at 5:11 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Godschild - October 13, 2013 at 8:17 pm
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Captain Colostomy - October 13, 2013 at 9:24 pm
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by bennyboy - October 14, 2013 at 3:05 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by daandaan - October 15, 2013 at 8:43 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Godschild - October 15, 2013 at 7:49 pm
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by daandaan - October 16, 2013 at 2:55 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Godschild - October 16, 2013 at 12:42 pm
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by daandaan - October 16, 2013 at 12:52 pm
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by daandaan - October 10, 2013 at 7:30 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by max-greece - October 10, 2013 at 11:03 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Minimalist - October 10, 2013 at 11:16 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by max-greece - October 10, 2013 at 11:21 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Faith No More - October 10, 2013 at 11:25 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Bucky Ball - October 10, 2013 at 11:22 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Doubting Thomas - October 10, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Minimalist - October 10, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by FallentoReason - October 10, 2013 at 12:00 pm
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Tonus - October 10, 2013 at 4:05 pm
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Beta Ray Bill - October 10, 2013 at 5:36 pm
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by max-greece - October 10, 2013 at 5:38 pm
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Lemonvariable72 - October 14, 2013 at 3:20 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by max-greece - October 14, 2013 at 4:43 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by bennyboy - October 14, 2013 at 9:06 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Minimalist - October 14, 2013 at 12:10 pm
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Minimalist - October 13, 2013 at 11:25 pm
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by bennyboy - October 16, 2013 at 9:38 pm
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Godschild - October 17, 2013 at 12:20 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by bennyboy - October 17, 2013 at 2:26 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by daandaan - October 17, 2013 at 3:11 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Bob Kelso - October 17, 2013 at 12:55 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Sword of Christ - October 17, 2013 at 7:03 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by daandaan - October 17, 2013 at 8:54 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by max-greece - October 17, 2013 at 9:06 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Doubting Thomas - October 17, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Captain Colostomy - October 17, 2013 at 7:11 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Sword of Christ - October 17, 2013 at 8:37 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Captain Colostomy - October 17, 2013 at 8:54 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by bennyboy - October 17, 2013 at 9:13 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Bob Kelso - October 17, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by filambee - October 22, 2013 at 1:47 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by FallentoReason - October 22, 2013 at 4:15 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Fruity - October 22, 2013 at 4:59 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Godschild - October 22, 2013 at 9:51 pm
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by bennyboy - October 24, 2013 at 1:23 am
RE: An Explanation of the Trinity? - by Minimalist - October 24, 2013 at 1:56 am

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