Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: December 16, 2025, 11:47 am
Atheist Forums › Community › Philosophy v
Moral Argument for God's Existence

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Thread Modes
Moral Argument for God's Existence
bennyboy Offline
Senior Member
****
Religious Views: agnostic
Posts: 9147
Threads: 83
Joined: May 22, 2013
Reputation: 45
#8
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence
October 19, 2013 at 12:08 am
I think the WLC premise that God is required for an objective morality holds. True, you can say it's subjective for God, but that argument doesn't work. The cubic centimeter was arbitrarily made by others than me, but from my perspective, it still stands as an objective measure of volume. I can't sensibly redefine it. And if God is real and right, then you couldn't really sensibly redefine morality.

I think it is P2 that totally fails. I don't think there is any moral that is truly objective, EVEN IF there is some kind of Deity. What we have are instincts that we place in a bell curve and say, "normal, therefore objective." But some people probably think killing babies, or raping little boys, or stealing, are perfectly moral, due to a world view of twisted justifications.
Find
Reply


Atheist Forums › Community › Philosophy v
Moral Argument for God's Existence

Messages In This Thread
Moral Argument for God's Existence - by MindForgedManacle - October 17, 2013 at 10:18 pm
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by FallentoReason - October 18, 2013 at 12:50 am
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by genkaus - October 18, 2013 at 1:27 am
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by FallentoReason - October 18, 2013 at 1:44 am
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by genkaus - October 18, 2013 at 2:54 am
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by max-greece - October 18, 2013 at 3:53 am
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by bennyboy - October 19, 2013 at 12:08 am
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by genkaus - October 19, 2013 at 8:59 am
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by bennyboy - October 19, 2013 at 9:13 pm
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by genkaus - October 20, 2013 at 7:28 am
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by Cato - October 19, 2013 at 12:27 am
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by bennyboy - October 20, 2013 at 8:37 am
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by genkaus - October 21, 2013 at 3:54 am
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by bennyboy - October 21, 2013 at 9:54 pm
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by genkaus - October 22, 2013 at 8:52 am
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by bennyboy - October 22, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by Zazzy - October 22, 2013 at 1:06 pm
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by bennyboy - October 22, 2013 at 9:03 pm
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by genkaus - October 22, 2013 at 11:48 pm
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by bennyboy - October 23, 2013 at 11:25 pm
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by genkaus - October 24, 2013 at 7:23 am
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by bennyboy - October 24, 2013 at 6:42 pm
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by genkaus - October 24, 2013 at 7:21 pm
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by bennyboy - October 24, 2013 at 8:38 pm
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by genkaus - October 24, 2013 at 8:53 pm
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by bennyboy - October 24, 2013 at 8:59 pm
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by genkaus - October 24, 2013 at 9:34 pm
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by bennyboy - October 24, 2013 at 10:41 pm
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by genkaus - October 25, 2013 at 3:52 am
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by bennyboy - October 25, 2013 at 5:32 am
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by genkaus - October 25, 2013 at 6:50 am
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by bennyboy - October 25, 2013 at 9:47 am
RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence - by genkaus - October 22, 2013 at 5:55 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  The modal ontological argument for God Disagreeable 29 4771 August 10, 2024 at 8:57 pm
Last Post: CuriosityBob
  Proving the Existence of a First Cause Muhammad Rizvi 3 1571 June 23, 2023 at 5:50 pm
Last Post: awty
  Maximizing Moral Virtue h311inac311 191 34028 December 17, 2022 at 10:36 pm
Last Post: Objectivist
  As a nonreligious person, where do you get your moral guidance? Gentle_Idiot 79 15709 November 26, 2022 at 10:27 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  The existence of God smithd 314 51784 November 23, 2022 at 10:44 pm
Last Post: LinuxGal
  Moral justification for the execution of criminals of war? Macoleco 184 27211 August 19, 2022 at 7:03 pm
Last Post: bennyboy
  On theism, why do humans have moral duties even if there are objective moral values? Pnerd 37 8025 May 24, 2022 at 11:49 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Veridican Argument for the Existence of God The Veridican 14 4086 January 16, 2022 at 4:48 pm
Last Post: brewer
  Can we trust our Moral Intuitions? vulcanlogician 72 13261 November 7, 2021 at 1:25 pm
Last Post: Alan V
  Any Moral Relativists in the House? vulcanlogician 72 12459 June 21, 2021 at 9:09 am
Last Post: vulcanlogician



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)