RE: Moral Argument for God's Existence
October 23, 2013 at 11:25 pm
(This post was last modified: October 24, 2013 at 1:20 am by bennyboy.)
(October 22, 2013 at 11:48 pm)genkaus Wrote: I would say yes-- in fact, my answer to this question has been yes from the very beginning. That there is no one else left does not mean my life is over as well. I'd still want to live and I'd still want to be happy - as much as I can be given all my loved ones are gone. So yes, my actions towards that goal are moral and those contrary to it are immoral.I don't agree that morality can mean what you are having it mean. Morality is about rightness and wrongness, not just another word for "behavior."
(October 22, 2013 at 9:03 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Let's take aIt's a reasonable try at identifying a maximally good behavior, but it is founded on subjective ideas about what is good. I think the other tries I mentioned also work as possible candidates.
Fine, let's consider it. The orange didn't appear there magically - it belongs to the store-owner. The group of people didn't come in there independently and at once, they have, most likely, formed a group for their survival. If the store-owner is around, then he is free to sell the orange to the highest bidder. If there is no store-owner, then it's first-come-first-serve. If the group is together then they should already have a system for survival - depending upon their conditions - and that would tell them to whom the orange goes. Going by your indication that it is a famine, I'd say, give it to the farmer of the bunch, because his survival gives the rest their best chance at survival.
The point is not so much your judgment, but the fact that the social process must deal with subjective mores-- and if they are rooted in objective processes like instinct, no matter. The variation among opinions is real, and so the objective morality of each idividual cannot stand as objective when applied to that group context.
So what represents an objective moral code in a group context? A God who created all those individuals is one try. The only other try I can think of is an arbitrary choice of a black-and-white standard measure (as with the metric system). For example, maybe complex lab work and statistics over populations of millions of tests could lead to a maximal improvement in the pleasure/pain balance in the population. I don't think either of these tries is very convincing, though.


