RE: Proving God Existence
November 3, 2013 at 11:14 am
(This post was last modified: November 3, 2013 at 11:38 am by paulpablo.)
(November 3, 2013 at 8:45 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:(November 3, 2013 at 8:04 am)paulpablo Wrote: Well you just said something cannot come from nothing, god is not physical and has nothing existed before god created it (due to your definition of time, two events relating to one another).Correction!
You said even god cannot do something that is against logic and that something coming from nothing goes against logic therefore god could not have created the universe because he had nothing to create it from.
Nothing existed before God because God didn't have a start
Nothing "Variable" could exist with God as well in the begining
This logic doesn't deny the existence of other things with God as long as they are static/constants
But the quran says that god did create the heavens and the earth from nothing, according to you this is impossible since god cannot do illogical things and something from nothing is illogical.
Quote:He said, "Nay, your Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, He Who created them (from nothing): and I am a witness to this (Truth).
Quote:He said: Nay! your Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, Who brought them into existence
Quote:He said: Nay, but your Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, Who created them; and I am of those who testify unto that.
But what you are saying is that god did not create everything he just manipulated what was already there which was static and made it variable.
Quote:Does man not remember that We created him before, while he was nothing?
Muhsin Khan
Does not man remember that We created him before, while he was nothing?
Pickthall
Doth not man remember that We created him before, when he was naught?
Yusuf Ali
But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?
Shakir
Does not man remember that We created him before, when he was nothing?
Most of these examples from the quran also go against your logic.
You cannot create something while it is nothing.
Also you said something cannot come from nothing so also the translation "out of nothing" also makes no sense.
Again the quran says god doesn't have to manipulate or simply change things to create things, he just needs to say the words "be" and it is.
And he is the originator of the heaven and earth, it wasn't already there and he just changed it and made it variable and not static.
Quote:Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, "Be," and it is.
Muhsin Khan
The Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it : "Be!" - and it is.
Pickthall
The Originator of the heavens and the earth! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is.
Yusuf Ali
To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: When He decreeth a matter, He saith to it: "Be," and it is.
Shakir
Wonderful Originator of the heavens and the earth, and when He decrees an affair, He only says to it, Be, so there it is.
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