Proving God Existence

[Muslim Scholar]

Yes, it means the second
When God says that he created everything, it means everything in the universe of everything we know

Again, this just creates more problems. If god didn't create everything, there's no reason to believe he created anything.

How did you get to that?
and it is not about belief at all, it is a logical proof

If saying that god is the 'first cause' is an exaggeration

It is not, he is the first cause because he made the first event

, why should we stop there? What is there to say that the rest of it isn't an exaggeration also?

Because infinite events is impossible

This also goes against your own argument in the OP:

I don't see any contradiction here!

You also hit the problem that creationists love to bring up in order to argue that the universe must have been created at a finite point in the past. Basically, if god is eternal, then the amount of time god before created the universe was infinite. Since, by definition, you can't reach the end of infinity, the point at which god created the universe can never have happened. Now, I know why this argument isn't valid but I'm interested in whether or not you know

The problem in that argument is the definition of time
Time itself doesn't exist
Using my definition which no one can disagree on it
Time itself had a start (with the first event)

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Quote:He said, "Nay, your Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, He Who created them (from nothing): and I am a witness to this (Truth).

Notice that "From nothing" is between braces; this words don't exist in the verse, it is just an effort to explain the verses

How can you say it's a mechanism we don't understand when the quran has explained the process right here, god can create something by just saying "be", not change something, not do an action and make something constant and static into something variable, none of these things you are trying to say.
It's plain and simple, the quran says several times god is the creator, the originator, he doesn't change things or use materials already there to make things he makes things from nothing.

Islamic texts explain each other, you must take all of them
the other texts refers that God started everything from "Water"

But what you are saying is that god did not create everything he just manipulated what was already there which was static and made it variable.
This is what Logic mandates!

You're the first muslim I've spoke to that says logic mandates that god did not create everything.

I'm a specialist in Algorithms and have very good knowledge about Islam; I don't think that you can find many like me

It is very common in language to say nothing as a figure of speech,
like to say: "You are nothing" which means almost nothing or nothing compared to me

Are you actually at the point now where you're using the excuse that god was just using a "figure of speech"

It is not an excuse; Quran is full of that

It's supposed to be the perfect words from the most powerful being in existence and you're telling me it contains figures of speech, idioms and other imperfect methods of communication that can be interpreted wrongly, and it that it does this repeatedly everytime it says god created something from nothing?

The word "perfect" is not applicable to Quran, we can say error-free, but perfect means that it resembles some ideal model (which is not)

Do they not think deeply (in their ownselves) about themselves (how Allah created them from nothing, and similarly He will resurrect them)?

He said, "Nay, your Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, He Who created them (from nothing): and I am a witness to this (Truth).

Sorry again the word nothing doesn't exist in the Quranic text

The Arabic word “beda’a” means creation of something out of nothing.

No, it just mean started

http://harunyahya.com/en/Articles/116019...-the-quran
[quote] God Created the Universe from Nothing

I'm not responsible for other people interpretation

Another website made by muslims who seem to know either more or less about what the quran is saying than you do because they've come away with a totally different idea than you.

Yes, people are different