Questions for theists

[Drich]

.. and you believe this why? Because you haven't seen God? Someone smart than you hasn't seen God?

Do you even know What God looks like? Do you know where and how to look? What if God does not present Himself in the way you are expecting? Could you still Identify Him as God?

The Jews couldn't, and they thought they knew what to look for. Matter of fact they are still looking for Him in that very specific way. What makes you any different than those jews?

That doesn't dispute my point. All the reasons you just mentioned proves further that the President in this instance is much easier to recognize and prove as existing than God. Your earlier comparison doesn't work.

Why? If yoou met Bush or Obama before they were sworn in would that mean you did not meet these men just because you did not know them to be a future president? No of course not. Just because you did not know who you were speaking to nor who these people would be in the future does not mean you did not meet them, which means you still had 'proof' of the president.

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Because God said so.

When, where and how?

In the life of the believer when the promises found in the bible are proven to be true.

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And no one from any other religion has ever claimed to see their god....

Some of them probably smarter than you.

Yet you don't believe their god exists. Special pleading much?{/quote] It ceases to be special pleading when I tell you that we all have been given the invitation to have a one on one with God. All anyone has to do is follow the instructions left by God.

Let's try something...

Do you even know what Shiva looks like?

Which version?

Do you know where and how to look?

I can look it up if I were intrested.

What if Shiva does not present himself in the way you are expecting? Could you still identify him as Shiva?

It depends on the claims of the one who says he/she is shiva.

Just as I thought. Just as meaningless as your statement.

You don't 'think' much for yourself do you?

Why would I ask questions I could not answer nor apply to anyother claim?

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So vision of what you percieve as hell is proof hell? What if you vision is just that, a vision and nothing more.

Good Question. If my 'vision' was my only experience I would probably have stopped there. but it wasn't. It wasn't even Hell that inspired me to change. It was the brief moment I experienced God's love. From that day to this I have experienced that same love in many different ways. This love is what helps sustain my belief.

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[quote='Drich' pid='539206' dateline='1383845575']
Sorey, to knock over your straw man so easily: https://atheistforums.org/thread-15622.html

Dritch - "I use to stop breathing while I slept, and I remember one time I was a sleep, but realized I was fairly lucid, but at the same time I could not wake because I had stopped breathing, I remember trying to wake myself, but couldn't."

Perfect description of sleep apnea and sleep paralysis. Which are associated with each other.

Your description is no different than alien abducties. Except that you had a different hallucination.

Why do you think i left that little bit in there? Because it was the truth, and it gives me the oppertunity to say to people who believe as you do (That everything God does must be a mystry) That God is the God of the NATURAL Universe. Meaning He set up and put into place all of the laws and processes that 'science' is now just able to identify. Meaning just because we can understand and lable how God does something, does not mean God did not use a known process to accomplish a task. How foolish is it for us to think God made the universe, and everything in it just to be forced to do things supernaturally any and every time He wants something done?