(November 13, 2013 at 2:24 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Amazing how clever de-nihilists can be trying to justify morality within an indifferent amoral materiel universe. Although it has been fun reading your little circle jerk.
At least we HAVE morality. You have no morals at all. You have a LIST, and you call that morality.
And why the hell not! By rendering yourself the unthinking slave of the Sky-Fuhrer you've absolved yourself of ever taking responsibility for your own actions! So much easier that way.
Surrendering your own moral judgment in favour of unreasoning obedience - or what religion defines as "morality" - is not just Not Moral, it's IMMORAL. It's lazy and cowardly.
Unless of course you're NOT a mindless instrument of divine justice... Unless, as many of the theists here contend, you WOULDN'T happily murder an innocent on divine command, in which you are NOT deriving your morals from God after all, since you're using those morals to assess God's actions. God can't be the source of your morals AND subject to them.
So where are you getting your morals from?
Same place I get mine.
Humans have an innate sense of fairness - it's been observed in other primates as well - and the ability to apply that notion of fairness to others as well as ourselves.
That's morality. It's simple.
Some people don't get this concept for clinical reasons. We call them psychopaths. Others get it but choose not to care. We call them Bad People.
Morality is pretty straightforward when you look at it. It only gets complicated when archaic mores and traditions, which have nothing to do with morality (Don't be gay! Don't disrespect my beliefs, even if they're ludicrous and offensive! Lock up your women! Cut babies' genitals off!) have to be factored into a hitherto simple equation.
Embrace your humanity. Ditch your list and try real morality. Join us.
