Believing Vs Claiming to Believe

[The Reality Salesman01]

You would deny the truth no matter what, you've already done that in the past

The example is your ditching Christianity. You may not see Christianity as truth, however I do and you are asking for my thoughts, right.

Then we are talking about opinion, not truth. If you cannot show that it is true, then why are you making objective claims pertaining to it? Showing that it’s true is what makes it true, If you show it to be so, I will not reject it. The burden of proof lies with you, my friend.

Scripture says you're a fool for denying this truth.

Scripture says lots of things, how can we know they are true? The Koran says Jesus was a false prophet, and that Mohammad is the true path to salvation, I don’t doubt for a second that this is at all convincing to you that you’ve committed your life to a lie, but none the less, there are billions that believe this very thing of you. I think they are mistaken, and it has nothing to do with The Koran. I think you too are mistaken, and it has nothing to do with The Bible. Perhaps you have another method to present your case that’s a bit less circular? I mean no offense. But, what you’ve done is the epitome of begging the question, and is indeed circular.

Paul writes that the weak will fall away, Jesus said the same thing in parables. You were in church didn't you study the scriptures and see those things, I did.

You have stated that you question God and this questioning has lead you to an affirmation of things you already believed were true.

No, I questioned God about things I did not understand, I trusted Him to reveal the truth, so I patiently waited. Why would anyone question about something they already know as true?

Socrates said: “A man does not seek that which he thinks he does not need.”
What do you think this means?
If you think you already have truth, and this truth is God, it is true that you would not seek truth elsewhere. My question does not pertain to that which you think is true, but what you know to be true.
I am seeking something different than you. I am seeking knowledge of God which you claim to already have. It can be assumed that you once did not have knowledge of God to produce the belief you now hold. You will not seek what you think you don’t need, once you think you need it, you begin to seek it. What I seek is knowledge of God. One cannot believe in something they do not first know.
God is not like music, or colors, or taste. If God exists, He exists objectively and apart from opinion. Tell me how you know that God exists and how this can be confirmed through questioning by someone that knows nothing about God’s existence. I must first know something of God before I can form a belief around Him.

I do not easily abandon something I truly believe .

Nobody does. But, would you agree some people believe in things that are not true?

If you find your words have no impact, consider taking a new approach. If it is truth, like 2+2 is 4, than this truth can be conveyed with the right words.

You do understand that if you reject what I have said it's not me you have rejected, right?

Of course! I have not rejected you as a person. I have rejected your testimony thus far as it is irresolvable and indistinguishable from something you think is true, and not necessarily something you can know to be true. I am still open. I haven’t rejected anything from God, as you’ve humbly admitted that you can’t personally speak for God, otherwise you would have the answers I seek. This is a bit disappointing, but I appreciate your honesty.

"Faith" is the first step to knowledge of God,

Thank you again, as this is another attempt to defend a clear position. You have stated that you use “faith” as an epistemology. Now, we have something we can talk about.

I said that faith is the beginning of verified knowledge

I’m sorry, but I don’t know that this is necessarily true. Verified by whom? Can you give another example of this? Is this a special condition that applies only to God, or can it produce other verified knowledge?

Belief without sight, either physically, mentally or otherwise, it is a beginning to belief and belief leads to knowledge. Faith is the first step in a process to knowledge of God.

This doesn’t strike you as an unreasonable thing for you to ask someone that has no idea what you’re talking about? I think you’re being insensitive to the fact that I literally don’t know anything about what a God is, at all. Just telling me to believe you isn’t going to help. I think you’re being a bit obtuse here. Surely there’s some method by which you can demonstrate the knowledge you claim to have.
I asked Rondee this same question, but she didn’t answer. I think both of you may have viewed it as a slight, but I think it’s fair.

How do you know that you are not delusional?

If this question was raised pertaining to another belief you hold, I don’t think you would be leery about answering it. From the perspective of somebody that cannot verify anything that you’re saying, you explaining how you know you’re not delusional can perhaps give me some better insight that would create such a false impression.