(November 14, 2013 at 8:48 pm)Rationalman Wrote:(November 14, 2013 at 5:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: I think we should get something straight before going any further, it's not my responsibility to prove God to you, Jesus instructed for us to share what we have learned. Actually God says that once we have shared it is you who have to decide, that means you have to prove God is not true. In the end this is what it comes down to.
Why do theists have so much trouble with this simply concept. It has been explained to you many times GC: The burden of proof.
I do not care about burden of proof, I state what I know, if you reject it that's on you not me and in the end death will prove me correct.
Rm Wrote:You are making the claim that a god exists. We are simply stating we don't believe you. We are not claiming he does not exist, we have no claim.
This is where atheist fail, God claims He exist, I and all Christians agree with this. You say you are not claiming He does not exist yet you try and prove it all the time, so what do you call that, I personally see it as a claim. So either practice what you preach or admit you are making a claim.
Rm Wrote:If you follow your own logic here, you must believe in bigfoot and the lochness monster too. In fact, anything that hasn't been disproved. You find yourself in the ridiculous situation of believing every claim unless it is proven wrong. Unless of course you are a gigantic hypocrite and only apply this kind of thinking to your god.
So which is it? You believe every claim unless proven wrong, or you are a hypocrite.
Neither, I do not live by your rules, you are trying to be a god by forcing me to make ridiculous choices, thank God he doesn't do the same. I have a personal relationship with God and He has proven Himself to me many times, just because you have not does not negate my real experiences. The real hypocrite here is you, you say you make no claim, yet you try and disprove God, you my friend are the epitome of a hypocrite.
Rm Wrote:Here's a good example for you:
Me: I have a real unicorn living in my shed
You: No you don't
Me: You can't prove that I don't
You: OK, I believe you, you must really have a real unicorn in your shed!
If you can't see how ridiculous that is, I worry for the future of the human race
Yes I see how ridiculous your example is and with that kind of thinking from you and yours we all should worry about the future. All I have to do is look in your shed.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.