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Replacing Religious Morality
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RE: Replacing Religious Morality
(November 16, 2013 at 1:44 am)wallym Wrote: 1) You don't have to recognize the authority of an all powerful omnipotent all-loving being that is the source of all creation, I suppose. I think in most situations with an all-powerful all-knowing super being that loves you, deferring to said all-powerful all-knowing super being is a sound strategy. Now, we agree the all-powerful, all-knowing super being that loves us doesn't exist, so it's moot, but if it were a thing, I think it'd just be stubborness to be all "I don't know Mr. allknowing allpowerful superbeing, Jimmy on the internet had some pretty interesting thoughts on this matter too."

I'm being a bit silly, but I think the distaste for the idea of God because of it's absurdity may be causing the minimizing of the immensity of what that being would be if real.

You are missing the point. I'm not saying that in case of such a being's existence, obeying it would not be a sound strategy, I'm saying that that is not enough to make this being's commands objectively moral or intrinsically valuable.

(November 16, 2013 at 1:44 am)wallym Wrote: 2) What precludes the christian fairytale from being better, is not being able to believe it. It's one of the things that confuses me about Atheists anger towards the religious. Ricky Gervais nailed it in the Invention of Lying. The idea of heaven brought peace to his mother who was terrified of death. That's a win. Why would you ever try to take that away from something when you would be replacing it with nothing of importance?

It doesn't matter if it's true or not, because in our Atheist reality, there is no right way or wrong way to live. My brain wants to maximize the happiness I feel, and whatnot. But if I just ate skittles until I popped, that's just as meaningless and valid in the end. So if religious people can believe in something that brings them peace and meaning and happiness, more power to them.

That's where you are wrong - there is a right and a wrong way to live. Everything is not "just as meaningless and valid" in the end - or during for that matter.


(November 16, 2013 at 1:44 am)wallym Wrote: 3) What is an objective foundation? The desire for personal happiness is a real thing, I think. Biological, evolutionary, whatever. And I build from there, and try to be objective as possible as I associate value to actions and things.

I like my Xbox. It brings me happiness. I don't care even a little about the people of the Philippines. So given the choice of keeping my Xbox, or saving 1000's of lives, I keep the Xbox.

And it's tricky business. Societal pressure is a thing. I think I've reverted back to old school tribal rules on that. Small group of people that impact my life positively, I also apply value to their happiness. And that's about as far as I've gotten, thus far. Like I said in the beginning, still a work in progress. But trying to look at things for what they are, and identifying which things are outside forces trying to manipulate me into acting outside my own interests is the big thing that has me disagreeing with people on here most, thus far.

Identifying what you mean by "happiness" is a big part of it - and confusing pleasure with happiness is a common mistake.
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Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 12, 2013 at 4:10 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Captain Colostomy - November 12, 2013 at 4:34 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 12, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Captain Colostomy - November 12, 2013 at 5:13 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 12, 2013 at 5:41 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 12, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Raven - November 12, 2013 at 6:11 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Captain Colostomy - November 12, 2013 at 6:28 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 12, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Simon Moon - November 12, 2013 at 8:54 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 12, 2013 at 9:45 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Simon Moon - November 13, 2013 at 1:17 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 13, 2013 at 2:03 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Walking Void - November 12, 2013 at 6:28 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Captain Colostomy - November 12, 2013 at 6:36 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Walking Void - November 12, 2013 at 6:45 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by mralstoner - November 12, 2013 at 7:12 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Raven - November 12, 2013 at 8:45 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Zazzy - November 12, 2013 at 9:11 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 12, 2013 at 9:53 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Zazzy - November 12, 2013 at 11:05 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Ryantology - November 13, 2013 at 3:32 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Ryantology - November 12, 2013 at 9:46 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by KichigaiNeko - November 12, 2013 at 10:14 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Raven - November 12, 2013 at 11:34 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 13, 2013 at 2:34 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Zazzy - November 13, 2013 at 9:56 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 13, 2013 at 12:17 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by max-greece - November 13, 2013 at 3:14 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Neo-Scholastic - November 13, 2013 at 2:24 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by MitchBenn - November 13, 2013 at 6:33 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Ryantology - November 13, 2013 at 7:22 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Neo-Scholastic - November 13, 2013 at 8:01 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by kılıç_mehmet - November 14, 2013 at 9:03 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Simsim - November 14, 2013 at 10:31 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 14, 2013 at 5:48 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Neo-Scholastic - November 14, 2013 at 8:03 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 14, 2013 at 8:35 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Neo-Scholastic - November 14, 2013 at 9:02 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 14, 2013 at 11:11 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Ryantology - November 14, 2013 at 9:04 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Neo-Scholastic - November 14, 2013 at 9:09 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Ryantology - November 14, 2013 at 9:13 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Neo-Scholastic - November 14, 2013 at 11:16 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Ryantology - November 15, 2013 at 1:38 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by MitchBenn - November 15, 2013 at 7:30 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Doubting Thomas - November 15, 2013 at 2:19 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by genkaus - November 15, 2013 at 10:50 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 15, 2013 at 12:03 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by MindForgedManacle - November 15, 2013 at 6:35 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Neo-Scholastic - November 15, 2013 at 9:53 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by MindForgedManacle - November 15, 2013 at 11:19 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by genkaus - November 15, 2013 at 11:29 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 16, 2013 at 1:44 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by genkaus - November 16, 2013 at 2:10 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Neo-Scholastic - November 15, 2013 at 2:36 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 15, 2013 at 3:15 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Ryantology - November 15, 2013 at 4:17 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Doubting Thomas - November 15, 2013 at 4:43 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Ryantology - November 15, 2013 at 5:38 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by MitchBenn - November 15, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by shamgar - November 15, 2013 at 4:15 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Neo-Scholastic - November 15, 2013 at 6:29 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Ryantology - November 16, 2013 at 1:54 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 16, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by genkaus - November 16, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 16, 2013 at 4:28 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Bipolar Bob - November 16, 2013 at 12:41 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by genkaus - November 17, 2013 at 4:40 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Neo-Scholastic - November 17, 2013 at 1:07 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by genkaus - November 17, 2013 at 9:14 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 18, 2013 at 1:16 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by genkaus - November 18, 2013 at 5:02 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Mothonis - November 18, 2013 at 7:04 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 19, 2013 at 3:16 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by genkaus - November 20, 2013 at 5:16 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by GodsRevolt - November 20, 2013 at 5:40 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by MitchBenn - November 20, 2013 at 9:38 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by genkaus - November 21, 2013 at 9:01 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 21, 2013 at 1:11 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by genkaus - November 21, 2013 at 3:11 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 21, 2013 at 3:50 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by genkaus - November 21, 2013 at 7:09 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by GodsRevolt - November 23, 2013 at 1:32 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by genkaus - November 23, 2013 at 9:58 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by GodsRevolt - November 26, 2013 at 4:46 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 20, 2013 at 12:47 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by MindForgedManacle - November 17, 2013 at 9:32 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Neo-Scholastic - November 18, 2013 at 8:32 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Lion IRC - November 18, 2013 at 1:26 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 17, 2013 at 7:20 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by MindForgedManacle - November 16, 2013 at 4:29 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Bipolar Bob - November 16, 2013 at 5:08 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by MindForgedManacle - November 16, 2013 at 5:18 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Bipolar Bob - November 16, 2013 at 6:08 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Ryantology - November 16, 2013 at 4:43 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by MindForgedManacle - November 16, 2013 at 5:06 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 16, 2013 at 5:12 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Bipolar Bob - November 16, 2013 at 5:16 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Simon Moon - November 16, 2013 at 5:54 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by _xenu_ - November 16, 2013 at 5:54 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by MindForgedManacle - November 18, 2013 at 1:53 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Lion IRC - November 20, 2013 at 6:01 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Lion IRC - November 18, 2013 at 2:20 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Captain Colostomy - November 20, 2013 at 5:47 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by GodsRevolt - November 20, 2013 at 6:02 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Captain Colostomy - November 20, 2013 at 6:24 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by GodsRevolt - November 20, 2013 at 6:30 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Esquilax - November 21, 2013 at 9:17 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by GodsRevolt - November 23, 2013 at 1:07 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Ryantology - November 23, 2013 at 2:32 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by GodsRevolt - November 23, 2013 at 4:18 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Esquilax - November 23, 2013 at 4:22 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by GodsRevolt - November 23, 2013 at 4:47 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Esquilax - November 23, 2013 at 10:47 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by henryp - November 23, 2013 at 11:07 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Esquilax - November 23, 2013 at 5:50 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by MindForgedManacle - November 21, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Silver - November 21, 2013 at 3:40 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Neo-Scholastic - November 23, 2013 at 1:28 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Vadakin - November 26, 2013 at 3:06 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by genkaus - November 26, 2013 at 7:28 am
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by Vadakin - November 26, 2013 at 4:57 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by GodsRevolt - November 26, 2013 at 5:30 pm
RE: Replacing Religious Morality - by genkaus - November 26, 2013 at 6:22 pm

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