(November 15, 2013 at 6:33 am)themonkeyman Wrote: Hey Folks,
I've been thinking bout this long and hard and I am wondering what the premise was for a Jesus concept in the first place.
In the Old Testament as per my previous posts God Wrestled with Jacob in Human Form. He also met him on the way to Sodom and Gomorrah.
You seriously need to study the stories of the Bible before you try and make statements about them. Abraham was the one Jesus talked to on His way to Sodom and Gomorrah, if you had read the story you would have known this, you also would have realized that Jesus did not go to Sodom or Gomorrah only the angels did.
tmm Wrote:Many say that since Jesus was born of man that is why he can bring us to God. But I wonder deeply on this aspect because Adam was created from Clay (Dust). Eve was created from Adam and possibly Clay (Dust).
Given that the First Man and First Human Biblical existed as Dust then why did god need Jesus to be born of a Human Origin why not just have him created around the age of 30?
This has been explained a hundred times on here, where have you been, Jesus was born as a human, Adam was created as a human. Jesus was to experience the world and to do this He needed to grow as a human.
tmm Wrote:In the bible little is taught about Jesus as a Child so this would allow accounts that he could possibly be some religious fanatic.
Really, how? At the ripe old age of 12 He was already giving the priest more than they could understand.
tmm Wrote:Another thing I dont get is why the Heck does John from Prison send a messenger to ask about Jesus validity. If memory serves me correctly John the Baptist is a cousin of Jesus on his mothers side.
There's a lot you don't get. If you were about to die for someone wouldn't you want them to tell you everything you've heard and seen is true. It's no more than atheist ask for, right.
tmm Wrote:Are you meaning to tell me that John never knew that Jesus was his cousin and even if he did he Certainly somehow seams to be unaware that his Cousin is God!
Of coarse He knew Jesus was his cousin, I would think they played together as children. He knew if Jesus was who He claimed to be, He was God.
tmm Wrote:Back then many supersitions were around heck look at the Gnostic Gospels. I don't think it would be without merit to see that John was not preaching about Jesus in his lifetime!
You must be blind or you haven't read the scriptures, John was born for one thing, to help usher in Jesus ministry.
tmm Wrote:Just some fanatic felt 'Enlightened' and decided to match what he did to vaguely sync with the OT and also to verbally bash it so it looses its credablity.
The religious fanatics of the time were looking for a warrior in the Messiah, could be why they were causing trouble all the time (the fanatics). They are the ones who gave the Romans reason to destroy the temple, Jesus called the temple His Father's house.
tmm Wrote:My other question Is::
Why did Jesus un-do things in the old testament and say that things were acceptable why did God during the first 3 Copies (Exodus) not figure out that he would end up removing half of the rules?!
The sacrificial laws had to be keep until Christ's death and resurrection. Christ was the final atonement so there was no further need for those laws. The "Ten Commandments" and other laws of love and obedience were not undone, they are here to stay. Christ is now our salvation and the law of the OT points to our need for Him.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.