Evidence of the Bible's Validity

[JimmyNeutron]

I have something I wish to discuss with an atheist or atheists. If any of them would take the time to hear me on this thread I would be very grateful. I have some information that I consider hardcore evidence, not proof though, of the validity of the Bible. I'm not trying to evangelize anyone here, I just would like to share some facts that I have accumulated from several sources.

I ask that you remain open minded and logical, and that you do not stray off topic. Also, don't assume that you have heard all this before, because odds are good that you haven't. People don't usually defend their views religion in the way I am about to. I'm not going to ask you to take my word for any of this. I will provide verification of my facts. Here goes:

POINT 1#: The Bible contains various prophecies. If a sufficient number of these prophecies is true, than it is very likely that these prophecies are what they claim to be. Some kind of supernatural or divine revelation. Either that or they are a highly unlikely and EXTREMELY lucky guess. Can we agree on this first point?

[Jackalope]

Can we agree on this first point?

No. Fallacy of false dichotomy.

[JimmyNeutron]

Can we agree on this first point?

No. Fallacy of false dichotomy.

Okay, good start. What explanation(s) do you propose for the fulfillment of several complex pieces of Biblical prophecy?

[Jackalope]

No. Fallacy of false dichotomy.

Okay, good start. What explanation(s) do you propose for the fulfillment of several complex pieces of Biblical prophecy?

Give a specific example.

BTW the prophecy angle is nothing new. We've done this hundreds of times before.

[The Valkyrie]

I have something I wish to discuss with an atheist or atheists. If any of them would take the time to hear me on this thread I would be very grateful. I have some information that I consider hardcore evidence, not proof though, of the validity of the Bible. I'm not trying to evangelize anyone here, I just would like to share some facts that I have accumulated from several sources.

I ask that you remain open minded and logical, and that you do not stray off topic. Also, don't assume that you have heard all this before, because odds are good that you haven't. People don't usually defend their views religion in the way I am about to. I'm not going to ask you to take my word for any of this. I will provide verification of my facts. Here goes:

POINT 1#: The Bible contains various prophecies. If a sufficient number of these prophecies is true, than it is very likely that these prophecies are what they claim to be. Some kind of supernatural or divine revelation. Either that or they are a highly unlikely and EXTREMELY lucky guess. Can we agree on this first point?

Nope. Vague prophecies can be interpreted into any way the reader wants them to. It's similar to the "prophecies" of Nostradamus. Too vague. Too easy to interpret the way you want them to be, and always applied after the events by those who accept them.

Also, according to the Jews, whose holy book the OT is, Jesus did not fulfil the prophecies of a messiah.

[Jackalope]

Nope. Vague prophecies can be interpreted into any way the reader wants them to. It's similar to the "prophecies" of Nostradamus. Too vague. Too easy to interpret the way you want them to be, and always applied after the events by those who accept them.

Also, according to the Jews, whose holy book the OT is, Jesus did not fulfil the prophecies of a messiah.

Even in the absence of vagueness and interpretation, we're still left with significant problems - not the least of which is demonstrating that the prediction preceded the event and that the event actually occurred as predicted.

[Rampant.A.I.]

Prepare for ~~Reasons~~

[Cato]

Be careful, if the prediction and result are authored at the same time it is not a fulfilled prophecy.

[Minimalist]

If a sufficient number of these prophecies is true, than it is very likely that these prophecies are what they claim to be.

And, by the same token, if even one of them is false, what does it say about your god?

[Jackalope]

I prophecy that the OP is in for a rough time.