(November 18, 2013 at 5:02 am)genkaus Wrote:(November 18, 2013 at 1:16 am)wallym Wrote: So you're governed by the laws, subjective, whim, whatever. That is your reality. God makes 1+1=2 then 1+1=2. So it's really only 'subjective' from the God's perspective. From your perspective, whatever a God would 'whim' would be your objective truth. Of course this is mostly just silly semantics.
But the important part is that God has the authority over the existence which he created. Whether it is 1+1 = 2, or Human life has worth. It doesn't matter whether we listen to God. The rules of our existence don't change because we don't believe in them or disagree with them.
Again, God as a concept is nonsense, but if he were real, his authority over right and wrong in this existence wouldn't be up for debate. There's no reason that would be any less real than gravity, no?
Here's the reason why the objective/subjective distinction is more than just semantics and not just a matter of perspective.
If god exists the way he is described, then everything is existence is subjective - i.e. determined by is will - and therefore, subject to alteration on a whim. Our agreement - or even judgment - never enters the picture. If the rules were objective, we could figure them out - we could figure out why things work in a particular way and reliably use that understanding in future judgment. We'd expect things to act consistently and not change arbitrarily. We'd expect them to measure up to the standards of logic and rationality - because that is how objectivity works. But, since they are subjective, all that goes right out the window.
(November 18, 2013 at 2:20 am)Lion IRC Wrote: No. It clearly says "are not animals"
I'm flattered. I didn't expect to be quote-mined before I was famous.
Dude you got 30 rep, your famous here.The theist here are extreamly dishonest.
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