Replacing Religious Morality

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wallym, if this seems to not make sense to you it is because IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!

Actually, it does make sense - that is, it makes sense that god's existence results in reality being nonsensical. That is precisely the kind of reality described in your Bible - where rules of logic and laws of nature become optional.

Morals are objective because of God, not despite Him. If every moral you come to is solely found "within yourself" that would be the definition of subjective - based on personal tastes. Subject to change on a whim.

And if they are based on your god's personal tastes and subject to his whims, they are equally subjective.

Saying that morals are subjective because God decided them is dragging the concept of God down to an animal level. God is not a dictator. God is not a human. His decisions do not happen in the same way we make decisions.

Irrelevant. The fact that they are dependent on his decisions is what makes them subjective.

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I didn't "conveniently" cut out the bit about introspection and reasoning.
Is someone claiming animals don't have the sentient ability to reason?

Not on the level of abstraction possible for humans - which was, after all, the point of the argument and the point you conveniently cut out.

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Well, I can't speak for the "sheeple" that you mentioned, but I am wondering where objective morals come from without a God?

IF objective morals exist, then they'd come from fundamental facts regarding human psychology.

Without a soul, isn't man an animal enslaved by the chemical reactions that cause his instincts?

No. His ability to reason takes him beyond that.

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Well, the objective godless argument sinks before it hits the pond. Everyone figures out their own morals? From deep inside them? Like, "I don't know, its just hard to explain. I know it to be true and so it is for me."

What does that sound like to you? Like someone talking about GOD?

It sounds EXACTLY like that - which is why it is a bullshit argument that only a theist would use.

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Of course, the laws of objectivity would also be subject to God's will, so whatever logic you're trying to apply may or may not count? So maybe it is objective, because God says that's what objectivity is?

In fact, all rational and logical arguments would go out the window, because if there happened to be a God, they may no longer be rational or logical based on various whims?

Precisely.