(November 22, 2013 at 1:53 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote:(November 22, 2013 at 12:33 pm)wallym Wrote: If the God is not constrained by our understanding of existence, how many of the laws that define our existence can we apply to God?
Our understanding of knowledge, being, space, time...etc...
The assumption that this theoretical omniscient God's mind operates in the same general way as ours seems like a bit of a stretch.
I think the old timey bible stories humanize God in a way that makes him an easier sell to humans, but if such a being existed as defined rather than what we see in the stories, it'd be a much different thing.
If God has nothing to do with our understanding of anything else in existence, then we can't even say if he exists. This line of reasoning you're using is really just a dodge.
You're right. Who knows what 'existence' would even be to a 'being' of that 'nature' or what 'it's' 'nature' would 'be.' We're trying to apply the same logic we'd use on Bob the Grocer to this 'God.'
But the idea of 'God' is already out of our ability to understand. Can 'something' 'be' 'outside' of our plane of existence?
In the event that something of undefined 'nature' is 'outside our existence,' an idea that already shatters our logical understanding of the universe, wouldn't we need to know the 'rules' for 'outside our existence' before we could start guessing whether or not something like omniscience would break them?
I look back on the old philosophers trying to prove God exists based on rationalizing the origins of the universe. But what they are really doing is the same as this. Trying to apply their limited understanding of our existence to whatever happened at the 'beginning.' But, my opinion on the matter, is that something outside our scope of understanding happened.
In the end, it's basically like old-timey scientists applying the idea that the earth was flat, and coming to the conclusion you'd fall off the earth if you went far enough.
