Replacing Religious Morality

[GodsRevolt]

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wallym, if this seems to not make sense to you it is because IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE!

Actually, it does make sense - that is, it makes sense that god's existence results in reality being nonsensical. That is precisely the kind of reality described in your Bible - where rules of logic and laws of nature become optional.

Morals are objective because of God, not despite Him. If every moral you come to is solely found "within yourself" that would be the definition of subjective - based on personal tastes. Subject to change on a whim.

And if they are based on your god's personal tastes and subject to his whims, they are equally subjective.

Saying that morals are subjective because God decided them is dragging the concept of God down to an animal level. God is not a dictator. God is not a human. His decisions do not happen in the same way we make decisions.

Irrelevant. The fact that they are dependent on his decisions is what makes them subjective.

No, Not irrelevant. You cannot shrug this idea off and still be talking God.

If you lock me in a box and tell me that every time I push a button I get a candy, it would be true that my reality would be subject to your whims, but not mine. Now, if you remain true to your word, my objective truth becomes what you told me. If I press the button one day and I do not get my m&m's my objective truth begins to become informed on the reality you have placed me in, and may or may not change. I may come up with some subjective conclusions: you are a liar and unreliable. But the objective truth remain with you.
I continue to inform my truth based on my experience, but I have no control over it, and any opinions that I come to are purely based on the experience in the reality you have set up for me.

God has given us more than a button to push. And for us to pretend that we can understand every decision that is made by an omnipotent being is wildly unreasonable.

Well, I can't speak for the "sheeple" that you mentioned, but I am wondering where objective morals come from without a God?

IF objective morals exist, then they'd come from fundamental facts regarding human psychology.

Without a soul, isn't man an animal enslaved by the chemical reactions that cause his instincts?

No. His ability to reason takes him beyond that.

Where does human reason come from? Are you saying that there is more to brain function than chemical reactions and electrical impulses?

Well, the objective godless argument sinks before it hits the pond. Everyone figures out their own morals? From deep inside them? Like, "I don't know, its just hard to explain. I know it to be true and so it is for me."

What does that sound like to you? Like someone talking about GOD?

It sounds EXACTLY like that - which is why it is a bullshit argument that only a theist would use.

If morality comes from a psychologist, we are all in freud a lot of trouble.