(November 23, 2013 at 4:22 am)Esquilax Wrote: You're the one sitting there asking the question, "how do you know not to hurt people, if a magic man isn't telling you so?" If you don't like what that says about you, then perhaps there's some reflection on the question you asked, that you need to be doing.
The mere fact that you got offended shows us this: you don't just not hurt people because god says not to. There are other reasons, yes?
I'm not offended. Its fine, just part of the conversation.
And yes, I do not hurt people because God says not to, but also because I would not want to be hurt. Treating others as you would want to be treated.
Also, I was raised not to hit. My parents told me to (and my father was an atheist, if that matters to the conversation).
But there are times when pain is unavoidable, yes? How do you figure those situations out if you are only going off of the pain theory?
And what about in situations where there is no pain to be dealt with? Theft? Adultery? Deception? Are these things still immoral, and how do you know?
And what do you do when someone disagrees with you?
". . . let the atheists themselves choose a god. They will find only one divinity who ever uttered their isolation; only one religion in which God seemed for an instant to be an atheist." -G. K. Chesterton