RE: God is timeless
December 5, 2013 at 12:44 pm
(This post was last modified: December 5, 2013 at 12:45 pm by pocaracas.)
(December 5, 2013 at 12:23 pm)Rational AKD Wrote:I can't fathom why it is logically impossible to destroy a space-time container and not expect time (the one on that container) to go on flowing...(December 5, 2013 at 12:04 pm)pocaracas Wrote: If we're making up a mega being, might as well be one that can do anything it wants, at least in what concerns creating and destroying stuff...
as Dr. Craig puts it, it's no more of a constraint or a limitation than to say he can't create a square circle or a married bachelor. it is evidence God can't do the logically impossible.
ouch... too many double and triple-negatives in there... let me try to rephrase that...
Why should we expect to observe the flow of time once the space-time container is destroyed? Why is it logical that time goes on flowing once it is destroyed?
(December 5, 2013 at 12:23 pm)Rational AKD Wrote:I wouldn't say it's ridiculous... It just doesn't make sense.Quote:The properties of the god-universe interaction after the universe is made does not explain "how" it got made. Beware of language pitfalls when discussing these things...why? why is it ridiculous to say "God created time"? because this suggests a time that he did so? sure, the beginning of time time was created. what is ridiculous about that? if you're saying this suggests a prior cause that created time, I would have to disagree.
I mean, the very expression "god created" suggests it was done in the past... but that event should take place, out of our universe's space-time domain...
The act of creation would have to be done in the absence of space and time. So the creation cannot be before anything else... nor after... these qualities don't make sense.
(December 5, 2013 at 12:23 pm)Rational AKD Wrote: there can exist simultaneous causations in time, such as the relationship of the chandelier in relation to the ceiling. the ceiling causes the chandelier to be hung, but there was no point in time before the chandelier was hung that the ceiling supported the chandelier. thus we have an example of a simultaneous causation, which proves the cause does not need to happen before the effect.WUT?!
(December 5, 2013 at 12:23 pm)Rational AKD Wrote: so the act of God creating time does not entail him creating time before time.You're careless in your language and it shows... "creating time before time"... what does that 'before' mean?!