(December 5, 2013 at 1:08 pm)Rational AKD Wrote:One should be the negative of the other.(December 5, 2013 at 12:44 pm)pocaracas Wrote: I can't fathom why it is logically impossible to destroy a space-time container and not expect time (the one on that container) to go on flowing...what you said first and what you rephrased aren't the same. you first asked why should time cease if space-time is destroyed, then rephrased to why does time continue once it's destroyed. maybe you should clarify what you say before you say it so I can properly address it.
ouch... too many double and triple-negatives in there... let me try to rephrase that...
Why should we expect to observe the flow of time once the space-time container is destroyed? Why is it logical that time goes on flowing once it is destroyed?
You (via WLC) implied that it is logical to think that time goes on, even in a situation where space-time doesn't exist. I simply stated the negative of that, asking why is that illogical.
(December 5, 2013 at 1:08 pm)Rational AKD Wrote:I wouldn't presume to know how time is created, but my best guess would put that creation outside of time.Quote:I wouldn't say it's ridiculous... It just doesn't make sense.I think you're a little confused here. the creation of time could be said to be before all events in time, it just could not be said the creation of time happened before time was created. later events can still occur after the first event, but no events could occur prior.
The act of creation would have to be done in the absence of space and time. So the creation cannot be before anything else... nor after... these qualities don't make sense.
There is no "before all events in time"... you wording is still a bit sloppy...
(December 5, 2013 at 1:08 pm)Rational AKD Wrote:I... I don't remember ever having mentioned the requirement for time to exist in order for the god entity to create time...Quote:WUT?!let my try and break it down in steps.
P1: a chandelier hung by the ceiling is that which the ceiling caused the chandelier to be hung.
P2: the ceiling could not have supported the chandelier before the chandelier was hung, but must have supported it at the exact moment it was hung.
C1: simultaneous causations are possible.
P3: time has a cause.
C2: the cause of time must have a simultaneous causational relationship with time.
this shows how it is possible for God to create time without the need for it in the first place.
And it seems you're wanting to entertain the idea that time is created in tandem with time itself.
(December 5, 2013 at 1:08 pm)Rational AKD Wrote:I must have missed that detail... sorry.Quote:You're careless in your language and it shows... "creating time before time"... what does that 'before' means?!you do realize when I said "creating time before time" it was presented as a logical absurdity, not as a possible explanation right?
Sarcasm doesn't translate very well into writing...
