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Necessary Truths Exist
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RE: Necessary Truths Exist
(December 6, 2013 at 1:14 am)MindForgedManacle Wrote: I lost interest in this conversation when truth and fact began to get confused (I believe that's part of what Genkaus is trying to explain to you, that you're confusing truth (correspondence between assertion/belief and reality) and fact (the state of affairs itself)), but as for your question of when a fact changed: The fact of who the current president of the USA is, changes every few years, for example.

funny... you claim i'm equivocating terms truth and fact, but it seems entirely compatible with the dictionary definition of the term.
Mariam-Webster Wrote:2 a (1) : the state of being the case : fact (2) : the body of real things, events, and facts

and I just had this same conversation with LostLocke. in order to say "the current president of the USA is..." you must be referencing a specific place in time. in this case, you would be referencing the present. the facts don't change, only the state of time that is being referenced does. if I were to say "Obama is the president" I would be correct no matter how much time has passed. you could only say i'm incorrect by removing the phrase and its context, which would essentially remove all the meaning I put into the phrase.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with senses, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use and by some other means to give us knowledge which we can attain by them.
-Galileo
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Necessary Truths Exist - by Rational AKD - October 31, 2013 at 6:03 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2013 at 6:12 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Rational AKD - October 31, 2013 at 7:24 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Angrboda - October 31, 2013 at 7:34 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by FallentoReason - October 31, 2013 at 7:35 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Angrboda - October 31, 2013 at 7:08 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Rational AKD - October 31, 2013 at 7:46 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by bennyboy - October 31, 2013 at 8:21 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Rational AKD - November 2, 2013 at 7:33 pm
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by MindForgedManacle - November 16, 2013 at 1:46 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by downbeatplumb - November 16, 2013 at 7:04 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Doubting Thomas - October 31, 2013 at 8:24 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by MindForgedManacle - October 31, 2013 at 8:31 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Rational AKD - October 31, 2013 at 9:07 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by MindForgedManacle - October 31, 2013 at 12:15 pm
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Rational AKD - November 1, 2013 at 4:23 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by MindForgedManacle - November 1, 2013 at 9:44 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Walking Void - October 31, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Whateverist - November 1, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Mister Agenda - November 1, 2013 at 10:45 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by genkaus - November 16, 2013 at 1:28 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Rational AKD - November 16, 2013 at 12:20 pm
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 16, 2013 at 12:47 pm
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Rational AKD - November 16, 2013 at 12:56 pm
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 16, 2013 at 1:34 pm
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by henryp - November 16, 2013 at 4:49 pm
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by genkaus - November 17, 2013 at 5:08 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by henryp - November 16, 2013 at 11:01 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 16, 2013 at 2:04 pm
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Rational AKD - November 17, 2013 at 10:03 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by genkaus - November 17, 2013 at 11:25 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Rational AKD - December 4, 2013 at 12:36 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by genkaus - December 4, 2013 at 5:26 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Rational AKD - December 5, 2013 at 9:15 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by LostLocke - December 5, 2013 at 9:32 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Rational AKD - December 5, 2013 at 9:39 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by genkaus - December 5, 2013 at 3:41 pm
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Rational AKD - December 6, 2013 at 12:31 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by genkaus - December 9, 2013 at 5:53 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Rational AKD - December 11, 2013 at 8:34 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by MindForgedManacle - December 11, 2013 at 12:21 pm
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Rational AKD - December 14, 2013 at 5:43 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by MindForgedManacle - December 14, 2013 at 12:26 pm
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Rational AKD - December 14, 2013 at 8:35 pm
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by MindForgedManacle - December 15, 2013 at 12:38 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Rational AKD - December 25, 2013 at 6:39 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by genkaus - December 12, 2013 at 7:41 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by LostLocke - December 4, 2013 at 9:38 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Walking Void - November 17, 2013 at 6:08 pm
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by GodsRevolt - December 4, 2013 at 6:19 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by LostLocke - December 5, 2013 at 10:37 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Rational AKD - December 5, 2013 at 10:57 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by MindForgedManacle - December 6, 2013 at 1:14 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Rational AKD - December 6, 2013 at 2:34 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Whateverist - December 6, 2013 at 1:32 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by MindForgedManacle - December 6, 2013 at 9:46 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by Rational AKD - December 7, 2013 at 6:10 am
RE: Necessary Truths Exist - by MindForgedManacle - December 10, 2013 at 1:47 am

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