(December 6, 2013 at 1:14 am)MindForgedManacle Wrote: I lost interest in this conversation when truth and fact began to get confused (I believe that's part of what Genkaus is trying to explain to you, that you're confusing truth (correspondence between assertion/belief and reality) and fact (the state of affairs itself)), but as for your question of when a fact changed: The fact of who the current president of the USA is, changes every few years, for example.
funny... you claim i'm equivocating terms truth and fact, but it seems entirely compatible with the dictionary definition of the term.
Mariam-Webster Wrote:2 a (1) : the state of being the case : fact (2) : the body of real things, events, and facts
and I just had this same conversation with LostLocke. in order to say "the current president of the USA is..." you must be referencing a specific place in time. in this case, you would be referencing the present. the facts don't change, only the state of time that is being referenced does. if I were to say "Obama is the president" I would be correct no matter how much time has passed. you could only say i'm incorrect by removing the phrase and its context, which would essentially remove all the meaning I put into the phrase.
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-Galileo
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