God is timeless

[pocaracas]

One should be the negative of the other.
You (via WLC) implied that it is logical to think that time goes on, even in a situation where space-time doesn't exist. I simply stated the negative of that, asking why is that illogical.

maybe you should watch the second vid 2:49-3:40 again. WLC is claiming that if space-time was created it can't be annihilated since it would always make since to say "the universe did exist." so he's not saying that time goes on without space-time, he's saying he can't stop space time since it has been set into motion.

And to which I replied: Puny god!
If a god destroys space-time, then time goes along into oblivion.
If it can't destroy time, then we've found a limitation to this god.
Need better god.

I wouldn't presume to know how time is created, but my best guess would put that creation outside of time.

I don't think that would be necessary. the creation of time could occur in time if it was simultaneous to time. it could simply be said "the creation of time was an event in time occurring at the very moment time emerged into existence."

I... I don't remember ever having mentioned the requirement for time to exist in order for the god entity to create time...

you said that the creation of time would have to be an event outside time, but i'm saying since no time is necessary between cause and effect, the creation of time could be an event within time at the exact moment of time emergence.

OK, I understand your case, but I'm saying, that may not be the only possibility... we can't know how time is created.... we can't say if it is indeed simultaneous with our universe's time, or something else.


Allow me to masturbate a bit...
Let's say there's this realm of the infinite imagination of god, where god resides (or which is itself god).... I'll call that realm G.
Realm G, for all I know, can have no time, can have time just like ours, can have multi-dimensional time, can have multi-dimensional curved time, or can have backwards time, whatever....
At some point of realm G, god creates the Universe, let's call it realm U.

1) If realm U's space-time is a subset of the dimensionality in realm G, then before and after the universe are terms which make some sense. This is not what WLC is meaning.
2) If realm U's space-time is apart from realm G, then the temporality in realm G is independent from the temporality of realm U. Hence it also makes sense to speak of before and after realm U, however, not in accordance to our realm U understanding of time... It's related only to realm G's concept of time, whatever that may be.
3) If realm U's space-time is apart from realm G and realm G has no time dimension, then it makes no sense to speak of before and after realm U's existence, in realm G's concepts, given that realm G does not have a concept of time.
4) If realm G has no time dimension and realm U is created with time and appended to realm G, then realm G will have gained the time dimension. It makes no sense to speak of "before realm G gained the time dimension", nor an "after realm G lost the time dimension" and god would be puny if it couldn't undo the time dimension in realm G as easily as it was created... One can say realm U was created at time t = 0 and destroyed at time t = t_f, but this time would only refer to the time axis of realm U.

Feel free to add more cases!