(February 12, 2010 at 1:23 pm)Watson Wrote: Of course I'm arguing from my beliefs! No one can argue from anything but beliefs. Person A telling Person B of an experience doesn't mean Person B will automatically go out and have said experience. Hell, they might be having the experience all the time and no even realize it for what it is. *ahem*This is your central problem. You don't differentiate between belief as a dogmatic belief system from unfalsifiable sky hook arguments and belief in the common meaning of tentative assumption ready to be verified or falsified by evidence. In this core thesis of yours that all is belief, there is no room for more probable and less probable and anything goes. IOW you are confusing homonyms of 'belief' and it seems to me you're doing this on purpose to push your religious agenda. In essence you are claiming that there is no line between science and religion.
Well the big difference between science and religion is that science achieves pragmatic knowledge of the world as we perceive it. Not only that, it clearly demonstrates this knowledge by what can be achieved with it. Science can put men on the moon, cure a number of diseases, find ways to improve crop, bring electricity to your home, explain what process fuels the sun, model reality from the subatomic level to the cosmological level in astonishing detail. It currently shapes our world in a high degree. Think about that when you are in hospital and dependent on medical science. Think about that when you are typing on your computer while in the circuits on the motherboard processes based on quantum mechanics are put to your use. Think about that when you eat the food on your plate. There is no short cut to knowledge wih sky hook arguments like a god "who did it all". Achieving verifiable knowledge has been a painstakingly long process of trial and error. Of trying what works and what doesn't. A process of centuries to struggle free from the idea that knowledge of the world could be gained from just fabulating away with gods, angels and other supernatural additions popping up to fill the gaps of understanding. Thinking that there are short cuts to answers on great questions is the folly of the tribal human mind. Knowledge of the world is not for the take like in a drive-in hamburger restaurant. Religion claims to give a topdown answer to these questions but demonstrably is unable to answer even the most simple questions of the reality we're. It achieves nothing, nothing at all but self-delusion and abject moral.
But I will not ask you to show me that we can travel to Mars with your supernatural fabulations. Just show me how you can move a single atom in this universe uniquely with your sky hook contraption called christianity.
"I'm like a rabbit suddenly trapped, in the blinding headlights of vacuous crap" - Tim Minchin in "Storm"
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0
Christianity is perfect bullshit, christians are not - Purple Rabbit, honouring CS Lewis
Faith is illogical - fr0d0