Necessary Truths Exist

[Rational AKD]

No, you're confusing truth with fact again, and I'll demonstrate with some simple sentences; even you can't fuck up here:

really? lets see... truth is a body of facts and facts are true pieces of information. both words are interchangeable and use the other in their respective definitions. perhaps you're simply confused.

"The circle is true"

"The circle is real"

"The statement 'the circle is true' is real"

"The statement 'the circle is real' is true"


The reason why the 1st and 3rd sentences don't really make sense, while the 2nd and 4th do, is because the 1st and 3rd treat truth as a property of reality itself, which is stupidly nonsensical. There is no theory of truth that does that. Truth is only a property propositions. The closest thing to what you're trying to do is the correspondence theory of truth, which sees truth as a correspondence between a fact (given state of affairs) and an assertion or belief.

yes, I know truth refers to propositions and real refers to existence. but what you seem to forget are propositions are most often representatives of reality. "this rock exists" is a proposition that represents a fact similar to how a word represents its definition. we can clearly tell the difference between a word and a definition, but we equate the word to its definition so deeply, it is literally impossible to bring up the word without its definition. same applies to truth. we equate truth to reality so deeply it is impossible to bring up one without the other. truth represents a reality to where if it is not real, it is not true either. so if I say "there is life on other planets" this statement is not true unless there is life on other planets, and even if we don't have any evidence of it for a hundred years it doesn't affect the truth value of the statement.

So, your dictionary definition is correct; you are not. Facts pertain to reality itself, truth (in the ordinary, corresponding sense) deals with propositions.

funny, that wasn't in the definitions. though I do accept your explanation, but propositions can still deal with reality.

Reality cannot be true, because reality cannot contain falsity,

reality cannot be true because in order to say something is true you need more than a subject. you need an about, what, why, where, etc. but tell me, does reality have an about or do we simply make that up? if we make it up, then nothing we say or observe about reality can be real. you might as well claim you live in your head since everything about reality only exists in your mind.

In regards to the president example, "The current president of the United States..." is worded such to not be specific, so the fact that statement refers to does, in fact, change.

what does the word current mean? what does it refer to because every dictionary I look at says it refers to the present. is that true or false? if it is true, then the reference changes over time not the truth of the statement. if you read a book that had the statement "Ronald Reagan is the current president of the US" and saw it was dated 1985, would you claim the author wrong? of course not because you know what he was referencing. the statement is only wrong if you remove its reference and context, which also removes its meaning forcing you to impose your own reference and context.