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Poll: Who governs the whole order of things on earth?
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If there is no God, then, one may ask
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask
(December 11, 2013 at 2:05 pm)Crossless1 Wrote:
(December 11, 2013 at 1:52 pm)DOS Wrote: Anybody else of the atheists think like that?

Yes, humans "govern" the development of human culture/civilization and "stuff like that"
"But here is a question that is troubling me: if there is no God, then, one may ask, who governs human life and, in general, the whole order of things on earth?'
'Man governs it himself,' Homeless angrily hastened to reply to this admittedly none-too-clear question. `Pardon me,' the stranger responded gently, 'but in order to govern, one needs, after all, to have a precise plan for certain, at least somewhat decent, length of time. Allow me to ask you, then, how man can govern, if he is not only deprived of the opportunity of making a plan for at least some ridiculously short period - well, say, a thousand years - but cannot even vouch for his own tomorrow? `And in fact,' here the stranger turned to Berlioz, 'imagine that you, for instance, start governing, giving orders to others and yourself, generally, so to speak, acquire a taste for it, and suddenly you get ...hem... hem ... lung cancer...' - here the foreigner smiled sweetly, and if the thought of lung cancer gave him pleasure - 'yes, cancer' - narrowing his eyes like a cat, he repeated the sonorous word - 'and so your governing is over! 'You are no longer interested in anyone's fate but your own. Your family starts lying to you. Feeling that something is wrong, you rush to learned doctors, then to quacks, and sometimes to
fortune-tellers as well. Like the first, so the second and third are completely senseless, as you understand. And it all ends tragically: a man who still recently thought he was governing something, suddenly winds up lying motionless in a wooden box, and the people around him,
seeing that the man lying there is no longer good for anything, burn him in an oven. 'And sometimes it's worse still: the man has just decided to go to Kislovodsk' - here the foreigner squinted at Berlioz - 'a trifling matter, it seems, but even this he cannot accomplish, because suddenly, no one knows why, he slips and falls under a tram-car! Are you going to say it was he who governed himself that way? Would it not be more correct to think that he was governed by someone else entirely?'
The Master and Margarita
Mikhail Bulgakov
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If there is no God, then, one may ask - by DOS - December 10, 2013 at 2:22 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Angrboda - December 10, 2013 at 2:35 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Minimalist - December 10, 2013 at 2:38 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by max-greece - December 10, 2013 at 2:38 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Tonus - December 10, 2013 at 2:11 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by DOS - December 10, 2013 at 5:51 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Angrboda - December 10, 2013 at 3:45 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Neo-Scholastic - December 11, 2013 at 7:52 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Cyberman - December 10, 2013 at 3:30 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Kayenneh - December 10, 2013 at 5:53 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Cyberman - December 10, 2013 at 5:59 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by pocaracas - December 10, 2013 at 6:42 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by DOS - December 10, 2013 at 8:09 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by pocaracas - December 10, 2013 at 10:28 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Jacob(smooth) - December 10, 2013 at 8:30 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Whateverist - December 10, 2013 at 8:34 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by houseofcantor - December 10, 2013 at 10:48 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Faith No More - December 10, 2013 at 10:51 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Crossless1 - December 10, 2013 at 11:00 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Faith No More - December 10, 2013 at 11:05 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by paulpablo - December 10, 2013 at 11:10 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Whateverist - December 10, 2013 at 11:21 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by pocaracas - December 10, 2013 at 11:12 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by paulpablo - December 10, 2013 at 11:14 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by houseofcantor - December 10, 2013 at 11:20 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by EgoRaptor - December 10, 2013 at 12:06 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by DOS - December 10, 2013 at 1:08 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Faith No More - December 10, 2013 at 1:41 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by DOS - December 10, 2013 at 2:36 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by DOS - December 10, 2013 at 3:01 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by DOS - December 11, 2013 at 2:03 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Tonus - December 10, 2013 at 2:50 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Simon Moon - December 10, 2013 at 2:52 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Jacob(smooth) - December 10, 2013 at 3:10 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by DOS - December 10, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Jacob(smooth) - December 10, 2013 at 3:55 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Mister Agenda - December 10, 2013 at 3:37 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Zazzy - December 10, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Cato - December 10, 2013 at 5:59 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by The Valkyrie - December 10, 2013 at 6:24 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by ThomM - December 10, 2013 at 6:37 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Cyberman - December 11, 2013 at 4:47 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Jacob(smooth) - December 11, 2013 at 4:57 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Cyberman - December 11, 2013 at 5:13 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by DOS - December 11, 2013 at 6:04 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Ben Davis - December 11, 2013 at 6:58 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Cyberman - December 11, 2013 at 6:17 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Jacob(smooth) - December 11, 2013 at 6:28 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by DOS - December 11, 2013 at 6:39 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Cyberman - December 11, 2013 at 6:56 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by pocaracas - December 11, 2013 at 7:24 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by DOS - December 11, 2013 at 7:59 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Ben Davis - December 11, 2013 at 8:14 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Jacob(smooth) - December 11, 2013 at 8:22 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Whateverist - December 11, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Cyberman - December 11, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Jacob(smooth) - December 11, 2013 at 8:08 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Cyberman - December 11, 2013 at 8:24 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Angrboda - December 12, 2013 at 3:29 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Cyberman - December 12, 2013 at 4:01 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Jacob(smooth) - December 12, 2013 at 5:02 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Brakeman - December 11, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Jacob(smooth) - December 11, 2013 at 8:28 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by zenblaster - December 11, 2013 at 8:40 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by DOS - December 11, 2013 at 8:40 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Ben Davis - December 11, 2013 at 9:16 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by DOS - December 11, 2013 at 12:35 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by LostLocke - December 11, 2013 at 1:17 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by DOS - December 11, 2013 at 1:22 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by LostLocke - December 11, 2013 at 1:28 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by DOS - December 11, 2013 at 1:38 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by LostLocke - December 11, 2013 at 1:50 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by DOS - December 11, 2013 at 1:52 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Crossless1 - December 11, 2013 at 2:05 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by DOS - December 11, 2013 at 2:11 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by LostLocke - December 11, 2013 at 2:22 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by DOS - December 11, 2013 at 2:38 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Crossless1 - December 11, 2013 at 2:43 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by paulpablo - December 11, 2013 at 2:11 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Tonus - December 11, 2013 at 9:30 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by pocaracas - December 11, 2013 at 9:34 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Fidel_Castronaut - December 11, 2013 at 10:09 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Cyberman - December 11, 2013 at 8:46 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Jacob(smooth) - December 11, 2013 at 8:48 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Cyberman - December 11, 2013 at 8:52 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Jacob(smooth) - December 11, 2013 at 9:28 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Cyberman - December 11, 2013 at 10:51 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Jacob(smooth) - December 11, 2013 at 11:07 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by max-greece - December 11, 2013 at 9:33 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Cyberman - December 11, 2013 at 11:10 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Cyberman - December 11, 2013 at 12:13 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by LostLocke - December 11, 2013 at 2:07 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Faith No More - December 11, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Tonus - December 11, 2013 at 2:34 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Faith No More - December 11, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Cyberman - December 11, 2013 at 2:43 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by downbeatplumb - December 11, 2013 at 2:43 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Cyberman - December 11, 2013 at 2:50 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by DOS - December 11, 2013 at 3:08 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by pocaracas - December 11, 2013 at 3:23 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Tonus - December 11, 2013 at 3:28 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by EgoRaptor - December 11, 2013 at 6:51 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Faith No More - December 11, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Jacob(smooth) - December 11, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Brian37 - December 11, 2013 at 6:49 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by The Valkyrie - December 11, 2013 at 10:02 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Tonus - December 11, 2013 at 10:05 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by The Valkyrie - December 11, 2013 at 10:22 pm
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by feeling - December 12, 2013 at 12:33 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Cyberman - December 12, 2013 at 6:12 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Jacob(smooth) - December 12, 2013 at 6:32 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Brakeman - December 12, 2013 at 8:09 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Cyberman - December 12, 2013 at 7:58 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Brian37 - December 12, 2013 at 8:05 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Jacob(smooth) - December 12, 2013 at 8:08 am
RE: If there is no God, then, one may ask - by Brian37 - December 12, 2013 at 8:37 am

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