The Bible is the claim, not the evidence

[Upside Down Dog]

You're not just saying that to get brownie points, are you?

lol no. It's a legitimate problem in the realm of debate.

In what way is atheist X using the Bible? If he's using it to wipe his ass, and you throw more passages at him, he's just going to use those new verses to collect the dingleberries.

Okay, all kidding aside, if there's a debate going on about how a particular verse or passage, by all means, unload with other supporting passages or counter argumentative passages. But at that point you have to admit that the argument isn't about proving god's existence, but about who's dick is bigger when quoting scripture. Am I right?

Nail on the head.

Often times, though, what I see if the atheist will say something about a verse and how that contradicts with something else and how do I reconcile it?

I'll then show them other verses, differing theology, and my reconciliation, and then the whole "the Bible is false" thing gets thrown in my face.

At that point, I'm just like "wtf whatever".

In some sense, but not the sense that's related to the OP. I feel you've been meaning to get that burden off your shoulder, and now that it's off, we can continue with the issue at hand here.

I don't care one wit if you use the Bible when arguing Bible claims. When arguing something that involves presuppositions, then we have a problem.

I think you understand what I'm saying. See above for clarification.

You're not related to our new, cool Xtian here, JacobSmooth, are you, because most theists (that I know) won't admit something like this. You're absolutely right in saying this, and I appreciate it, as I'm sure many of the atheists here do. We're not out to disprove god claims because that's not our burden to bear. I hope you tell your friends exactly that when they speak out of turn regarding what they think atheists are out to do.

lol, I've been around for awhile. I'm one of the TTA admins and have been posting there for over 2 years.

I've grown to understand and even love the atheist forums... but it has nothing to do with atheism and theism... it has everything to do with people. A person is a person. Their religion or lack there of doesn't define them. There are atheist and theist angels and there are atheist and theist jackasses... why? Because of humanity.

Anyway, about the other thing... it's the only honest approach to the subject. Anyone who says that God is physical and can be proved/disproved empirically is deluded. You can say it all day, but it's still a Penrose Triangle.