(December 12, 2013 at 3:03 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: I'm defining creation, as Simon Moon commented on, as existence. I called it creation instead. The earth, sun, moon, stars, animals, plants, etc. Everything we "percieve" through our senses. I pruposed that existence (creation) points intuitively to an intelligent designer.
Here's the problem: intuition is a terrible method for determining reality, once we zoom out to a large enough scale. Remember, the intuition in your evolved monkey brain is equipped to handle reality as defined by how far you can walk and the things around you on the ground; it's got no sense for space, or even planets, really. Those things are too big for it, and so the intuitive leaps you make on those topics are bound to be at least a little bit faulty.
For example, intuitively speaking, the earth is flat: you can intuit this because it's flat beneath your feet, you never see it curve, no matter how far you walk, it's basically flat, right? And so, for quite a while, a flat earth was intuitively true. So was a sun that orbited the earth: it moves, we don't, yeah? What changed those intuitions? Evidence, data, observations that went beyond merely what we can intuit to be true.
Which brings me to the other major issue here: evidence. You haven't really given any. In fact, without knowing what facts caused you to intuit design in the first place, there's not really much that can be done at all. Like I asked earlier, how do you justify the idea that we're in a created world? What would a non-designed universe look like, in order for you to have a point of comparison, and how do you know that?
Quote: I believe it to be far more likely things are created rather than they just happened. Simon Moon propsed that "existance is evidence of existance", that there cannot be any further deductions, conclusions, or intuitions to be drawn from that observation.
Your first sentence here is called the argument from personal incredulity, and it's a logical fallacy: "I can't imagine any other way this could have happened, and therefore it must be god." Unless you know everything, what you think is more likely doesn't mean much, unless you support it with evidence and data.
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