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Grades vs Education
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RE: Grades vs Education
I (have) lectured to MA's and Undergraduates before at a UK University so I'll throw in my 2 cents.

Main issue with some undergrads I've found is their expectancy, or rather, their belief that they deserve a good grade for just turning up. Some of the stuff I've taught in basic political science 101 (constructing a good research methodology, basic epistemology or ontology, political systems in liberal democracies and so on) are stuff that I was taught at school (around 8 years ago now :'(), so naturally when taking elements of constructing the course I put these on as good pre-cursors for building onto the juicy, perhaps more complex stuff.

Some of the students didn't get it, which was fine, because I knew that not everyone would have covered some of this stuff before, especially if they hadn't studied politics or political science academically at school. But they still turned up with a sense of entitlement, like everything they needed to know was what I taught them and that was the end of the road as far as advancing their knowledge was concerned.

When I set the exam at the end of the year I purposefully ensured that there would be more stuff on there than they had been taught in lectures, precisely because that's the point of university (or at least it was when I was an undergraduate). You get a basis of knowledge from the lecture which you build upon through your own work and study. I wasn't going to hand it out on a plate and let them get a 2:1 or a 1st just for turning up and writing some notes from my lecture slides.

MY fiancé is a microbiologist who works in a lab. She has the same issue with undergrads turning up just expecting to get a good grade for doing shitty, shoddy research work. Most of them turn up in their 3rd year not even knowing how to use a pipette! Now that's not entirely their fault because the system has obviously failed them in giving them a grounding in lab science methodologies, but still, you'd expect students doing microbiology at University to at least have some sort of expectation/want/affinity for lab work.

So in quick conclusion I would say that yes, a lot of students that I come across to today are more concerned about their grades than what they learn. I can't blame them entirely for this. After all, they're a product of the education system they are brought up in, and if they're brought up to favour grades over everything else, then grades are what they will aim for.
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Grades vs Education - by TheBeardedDude - December 16, 2013 at 12:24 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by MindForgedManacle - December 16, 2013 at 12:29 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by bennyboy - December 17, 2013 at 4:06 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by TheBeardedDude - December 16, 2013 at 12:33 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by Minimalist - December 16, 2013 at 12:39 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by TaraJo - December 16, 2013 at 1:05 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by pocaracas - December 16, 2013 at 12:39 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by TheBeardedDude - December 16, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by Fidel_Castronaut - December 16, 2013 at 12:51 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by Fidel_Castronaut - December 16, 2013 at 12:48 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by pocaracas - December 16, 2013 at 12:49 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by TheBeardedDude - December 16, 2013 at 12:53 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by Fidel_Castronaut - December 16, 2013 at 12:55 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by TheBeardedDude - December 16, 2013 at 12:58 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by Kayenneh - December 16, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by TheBeardedDude - December 16, 2013 at 1:02 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by JohnCrichton72 - December 18, 2013 at 6:09 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by JohnCrichton72 - December 18, 2013 at 9:31 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by pineapplebunnybounce - December 17, 2013 at 4:48 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by Jacob(smooth) - December 17, 2013 at 5:17 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by Darth - December 17, 2013 at 5:25 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by Jacob(smooth) - December 17, 2013 at 5:29 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by pineapplebunnybounce - December 17, 2013 at 6:46 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by Darth - December 17, 2013 at 5:47 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by feeling - December 17, 2013 at 5:48 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by Fidel_Castronaut - December 17, 2013 at 8:56 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by Kayenneh - December 17, 2013 at 6:33 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by Ben Davis - December 17, 2013 at 9:33 am
Re: RE: Grades vs Education - by NoraBrimstone - December 17, 2013 at 9:48 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by Jacob(smooth) - December 17, 2013 at 10:30 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by Violet - December 18, 2013 at 4:54 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by pocaracas - December 18, 2013 at 5:42 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by Violet - December 18, 2013 at 6:22 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by Kayenneh - December 18, 2013 at 7:15 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by pocaracas - December 18, 2013 at 7:20 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by feeling - December 18, 2013 at 8:06 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by Jacob(smooth) - December 18, 2013 at 3:10 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by Violet - December 18, 2013 at 4:48 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by Jacob(smooth) - December 20, 2013 at 3:26 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by Fidel_Castronaut - December 18, 2013 at 9:50 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by Violet - December 18, 2013 at 10:08 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by Clueless Morgan - December 18, 2013 at 2:08 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by Violet - December 18, 2013 at 8:44 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by Fidel_Castronaut - December 18, 2013 at 2:37 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by Clueless Morgan - December 18, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by Blake the Heretic - December 21, 2013 at 3:33 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by Jacob(smooth) - December 21, 2013 at 4:12 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by Blake the Heretic - December 21, 2013 at 4:28 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by Crulax - December 23, 2013 at 11:27 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by bennyboy - December 25, 2013 at 8:32 pm
RE: Grades vs Education - by Blake the Heretic - December 26, 2013 at 11:49 am
RE: Grades vs Education - by bennyboy - December 26, 2013 at 6:31 pm

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