(January 1, 2014 at 2:43 am)MarxRaptor Wrote:(January 1, 2014 at 2:34 am)ska88 Wrote: What is ur evidence that Palestine was empty ? And is that legal taking over someone else's land even if it was empty?Because being a Jew doesn't mean being religious. Ever heard if Jewish atheism? I already quoted Golda Meir (who was herself an atheist) on this topic.
And if they don't care about jews' opinion about creating a land why do they give themselves the right to start a movement that aims to create Israel to gather the jews in it? I mean they dont even care about their opinion ..then why to care about protecting them from antisemitism?
If it was a secular movement that doesnt really care about religion or faith.. then why Jerusalem ? Why they chose the holy land to be theirs? They r not loyal to any religion , then why caring about antisemitism, jews and the temple of Solomon?
U know what .. I'm really interested to hear more explanation .. its the first time I know that they r actually people who justify the existence of zionism I thought even jews dont agree with that! Plz continue .
Why Jerusalem you ask? Because the Jews have historic secular links to their homeland.
Secular Jews created Israel. Secular Jews are the truest of Zionists!
Quote:Because being a Jew doesn't mean being religious. Ever heard if Jewish atheism?
Well, well, it seems like your good buddy Simon disagrees with you.
And so does history
Quote:Once the term “Jewish state” was put into the Declaration, it exerted a powerful influence on the development of Israel. It reinforces all the exclusivist tendencies — religious and/or nationalist — existing in Israeli society, providing a ready-made justification for discriminating against non-Jews, specifically Arabs, and even secular Jews.
The Supreme Court, a self-proclaimed guardian of Israeli democracy, has compensated for the lack of a written constitution by basing its “judicial activism” on the “principles of the Declaration of Independence” (which has never been enacted into law). It has valiantly tried to square the circle by insisting that Israel is “a Jewish and a democratic state.”
Built-In Discrimination
But what is a “Jewish” state? Early Zionists insisted that the Jews all over the world are a “people” (volk, in German and Yiddish), and that modern, secular nationhood has superseded religion as its unifying factor. Orthodox Jews, whose “Sages of the Tora” cursed the Zionists in the most venomous way, denied this strenuously. It has now been conceded that there can be only a religious definition of this term “Jew.” It is now a principle of Israeli law that a Jew is a person who (a) has been born to a Jewish mother (and, therefore, to a Jewish maternal grandmother), or (b) has converted to Judaism in a religious act, and © has not adopted any other religion. Thus the secular definition of a Jew has been rejected. (This definition, by the way, goes well beyond religious law, according to which a Jew remains a Jew even when he gets himself baptized. “Israel, even when he sins, remains Israel.”)
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