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Is utopia impossible?
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RE: Is utopia impossible?
(January 4, 2014 at 11:26 am)MarxRaptor Wrote:
(January 4, 2014 at 6:47 am)là bạn điên Wrote: Free Market Communism is better known as Mutualism, it was developed by Proudhon and essentially consists of workers cooperatives trading on a freee market witheach other
There is a difference between mutualism & free-market communism. Proudhon came to defend private property later in life, believing it should be redistributed among the workers rather than abolished. Free-market communism abolishes private property. Both are incredibly similar though.

Market must not mean to you what it means to me, then. To me, the market is the system by which I purchase things, i.e. buy the right to their exclusive private use. I go to the market and buy a banana, so that I may have the exclusive right to consume it. And if someone else tries to eat it, I say (rightly) "Fuck off. That is my banana." If they accuse me of being bourgeousie swine for insisting on maintaining my exclusive right of consumption, I will (rightly) tell them again to fuck off, or maybe punch them in the face.

If there is no private property, then what exactly is there that can be called a market?

Should we, then, just make sure that everyone has an equal number of bananas? What about my cousin, who hates bananas?

Should we insist that everyone has the same capital? Why? What about my cousin, who hates work, but is willing to live with less? What about me? I like to accumulate toys, and have spent many decades of self-improvement and sacrifice in order to arrange a circumstance where I can?

Communists focus too much on material fairness (ironically), ignoring the various abstracts that motivate people. In a utopia, all people will be able to convert freely among the currencies of free time, of effort, of ownership, of liberty, etc. on a fair exchange. But what about people who want to convert their years of lying around on the sofa watching Oprah reruns into a nice car? That's the American utopia. And I hope it never exists.
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Is utopia impossible? - by BrokenQuill92 - January 1, 2014 at 4:22 pm
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by Mister Agenda - January 1, 2014 at 4:26 pm
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by TaraJo - January 4, 2014 at 10:50 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by Chad32 - January 1, 2014 at 4:32 pm
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 1, 2014 at 5:11 pm
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by bennyboy - January 2, 2014 at 2:53 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by Cato - January 2, 2014 at 2:58 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by Angrboda - January 2, 2014 at 3:03 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by Jackalope - January 2, 2014 at 3:04 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by Zen Badger - January 2, 2014 at 4:47 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by KichigaiNeko - January 2, 2014 at 6:09 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by EgoRaptor - January 3, 2014 at 12:18 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by Jackalope - January 3, 2014 at 12:29 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by bennyboy - January 4, 2014 at 2:59 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by là bạn điên - January 4, 2014 at 6:47 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by EgoRaptor - January 4, 2014 at 11:26 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by bennyboy - January 4, 2014 at 4:46 pm
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by EgoRaptor - January 4, 2014 at 10:37 pm
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by bennyboy - January 5, 2014 at 3:29 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by là bạn điên - January 5, 2014 at 5:12 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by bennyboy - January 5, 2014 at 11:54 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by là bạn điên - January 5, 2014 at 1:15 pm
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by bennyboy - January 6, 2014 at 2:27 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by EgoRaptor - January 6, 2014 at 2:50 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by MindForgedManacle - January 3, 2014 at 1:07 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by là bạn điên - January 4, 2014 at 12:13 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by BrokenQuill92 - January 4, 2014 at 12:33 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by MindForgedManacle - January 4, 2014 at 10:15 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by EgoRaptor - January 5, 2014 at 12:03 pm
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by Ryantology - January 6, 2014 at 3:15 am

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