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Is utopia impossible?
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RE: Is utopia impossible?
(January 4, 2014 at 4:46 pm)bennyboy Wrote: Market must not mean to you what it means to me, then. To me, the market is the system by which I purchase things, i.e. buy the right to their exclusive private use.

So a company cannot buy things in a market then? Only individuals can purchase from a market in your view? You are precisely the only person who beleives this

Quote: I go to the market and buy a banana, so that I may have the exclusive right to consume it. And if someone else tries to eat it, I say (rightly) "Fuck off. That is my banana."

And if a Mutualist cooperative went to the market they could buy bananas to be shared amongst the members of their commune
Quote:If they accuse me of being bourgeousie swine for insisting on maintaining my exclusive right of consumption, I will (rightly) tell them again to fuck off, or maybe punch them in the face.

They may punch you back

Quote:If there is no private property, then what exactly is there that can be called a market?

Property in this case is owned by the co operative

Quote:Should we, then, just make sure that everyone has an equal number of bananas? What about my cousin, who hates bananas?

No one has said this
Quote:Should we insist that everyone has the same capital? Why? What about my cousin, who hates work, but is willing to live with less? What about me? I like to accumulate toys, and have spent many decades of self-improvement and sacrifice in order to arrange a circumstance where I can?

Quote:Communists focus too much on material fairness (ironically), ignoring the various abstracts that motivate people.

Personally I thibnk that is true but you seem to have no grasped what mutualism is
Quote: In a utopia, all people will be able to convert freely among the currencies of free time, of effort, of ownership, of liberty, etc. on a fair exchange. But what about people who want to convert their years of lying around on the sofa watching Oprah reruns into a nice car? That's the American utopia. And I hope it never exists.


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Is utopia impossible? - by BrokenQuill92 - January 1, 2014 at 4:22 pm
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by Mister Agenda - January 1, 2014 at 4:26 pm
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by TaraJo - January 4, 2014 at 10:50 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by Chad32 - January 1, 2014 at 4:32 pm
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 1, 2014 at 5:11 pm
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by bennyboy - January 2, 2014 at 2:53 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by Cato - January 2, 2014 at 2:58 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by Angrboda - January 2, 2014 at 3:03 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by Jackalope - January 2, 2014 at 3:04 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by Zen Badger - January 2, 2014 at 4:47 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by KichigaiNeko - January 2, 2014 at 6:09 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by EgoRaptor - January 3, 2014 at 12:18 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by Jackalope - January 3, 2014 at 12:29 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by bennyboy - January 4, 2014 at 2:59 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by là bạn điên - January 4, 2014 at 6:47 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by EgoRaptor - January 4, 2014 at 11:26 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by bennyboy - January 4, 2014 at 4:46 pm
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by EgoRaptor - January 4, 2014 at 10:37 pm
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by bennyboy - January 5, 2014 at 3:29 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by là bạn điên - January 5, 2014 at 5:12 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by bennyboy - January 5, 2014 at 11:54 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by là bạn điên - January 5, 2014 at 1:15 pm
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by bennyboy - January 6, 2014 at 2:27 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by EgoRaptor - January 6, 2014 at 2:50 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by MindForgedManacle - January 3, 2014 at 1:07 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by là bạn điên - January 4, 2014 at 12:13 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by BrokenQuill92 - January 4, 2014 at 12:33 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by MindForgedManacle - January 4, 2014 at 10:15 am
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by EgoRaptor - January 5, 2014 at 12:03 pm
RE: Is utopia impossible? - by Ryantology - January 6, 2014 at 3:15 am

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