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Political Compass
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RE: Political Compass
(January 7, 2014 at 12:55 pm)Gish Wrote:
(January 7, 2014 at 12:39 pm)MarxRaptor Wrote: Find me one quote suggesting that the mature Marx supported centralized planning. The mature Marx supported decentralized democratic planning.

The mature Marx? Granted, I haven't read that much Marx, so you're probably right. How different is mature Marxism from the Leninist variety that I am more familiar with?
Actually Lenin only implemented central planning as a emergency wartime measure called "war communism". This is actually a frequent wartime measure. The idea was to go back to market socialism after the war. The only prominent party member at the time who wanted to keep war communism as a permanent measure was Bukharin, who was considered one of the most right-wing members of the communist party (comparatively of course, Bukharin was still far left).

There are of course differences between Leninism & orthodox Marxism as well. Lenin centralized power in a way Marx had advocated in the Manifesto, but the more mature Marx went back on such ideas. Rosa Luxemburg also criticized Lenin & Trotsky from a Marxist perspective, believing they had taken, rather than given, power to the workers. The "Pope of Marxism"; Karl Kautsky was an even more fierce critic of Leninism, believing Russia to be underdeveloped & unfit for communism. This I tend to agree with, as Marx said that capitalism would have to develop before communism could be achieved. Russia was still a feudal country. Leapfrogging over the capitalist stage of development was sure to end in disaster.
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Political Compass - by EgoRaptor - January 7, 2014 at 11:38 am
RE: Political Compass - by BrokenQuill92 - January 7, 2014 at 11:57 am
RE: Political Compass - by Gish - January 7, 2014 at 12:01 pm
RE: Political Compass - by là bạn điên - January 7, 2014 at 12:16 pm
RE: Political Compass - by EgoRaptor - January 7, 2014 at 12:32 pm
RE: Political Compass - by Gish - January 7, 2014 at 12:37 pm
RE: Political Compass - by EgoRaptor - January 7, 2014 at 12:39 pm
RE: Political Compass - by Gish - January 7, 2014 at 12:55 pm
RE: Political Compass - by EgoRaptor - January 7, 2014 at 1:07 pm
RE: Political Compass - by pocaracas - January 7, 2014 at 12:27 pm
RE: Political Compass - by FlyingNarwhal - January 7, 2014 at 12:45 pm
RE: Political Compass - by Fidel_Castronaut - January 7, 2014 at 12:49 pm
RE: Political Compass - by Cato - January 7, 2014 at 5:31 pm

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