RE: Are there any Level 1's here?
January 17, 2014 at 3:46 pm
(This post was last modified: January 17, 2014 at 3:48 pm by Avodaiah.)
Esquilax: To be honest I don't understand what the problem is with the idea of dependency. We see it everywhere: Things bump into each other and react with each other and change the position, shape, color, structure, etc. of other things all the time. This is what I mean by dependency.
(January 15, 2014 at 11:13 pm)Darkstar Wrote: You have already presupposed a soul or something similar by suggesting there is a non-physical component to the mind.Neither of them are knowledge. True, a computer full of transistors and electrical wiring is more complex than a single light switch, but they are both just electrons and motion. Computers do not know things, they just move electrons around. This is why a sentient robot/computer is impossible.(January 15, 2014 at 8:54 pm)Avodaiah Wrote: But the motion of transistors is not knowledge. It cannot be called knowledge any more than flicking a light switch on and off can be called knowledge. The 'knowledge' on a computer seems to be knowledge much less so than information in the brain because a computer lacks a sentience to process said information.It could be called knowledge more, but how much more I'm not sure. A light switch is far less complex than the information stored on a computer.
(January 15, 2014 at 11:13 pm)Darkstar Wrote: The brain is governed by electrical impulses; why couldn't a robot be built off of the same principles some day? (I'm not saying whether or not it should, just that it could).The brain is governed by electrical impulses; the mind is not. The brain may be the connection between the mind and the body, but it also only moves electrons around. The mind knows things; electrons and motion are not knowledge. So the brain is not the mind.
(January 15, 2014 at 11:13 pm)Darkstar Wrote:To illustrate, let's think about your webpage example from earlier, except let's consider the webmaster of a site like this. He wouldn't be a very good webmaster if he did not know how to write code, or worse, if he did not have administrator access to his own servers. Why? Because you can't control something you don't have. A nonsentient being cannot control sentient beings for the same reason.(January 15, 2014 at 8:54 pm)Avodaiah Wrote: 4) The governor/creator must be sentient.What do you mean by "in charge of"? That fact that the laws of physics apply to sentient beings does not make physics itself sentient in nature.
This is probably the simplest of my four points: Humans are among those things in the universe that depend on each other and therefore share a governor/creator. Nothing can control a power it does not have. Therefore, if this governor/creator is in charge of sentient beings, he himself must be sentient.