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On the logic of nationalism
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RE: On the logic of nationalism
Quote:Let me rephrase my question about the Golden Dawn. If Nikolaos Michaloliakos or Ilias Kasidiaris were to visit Turkey would you treat him as you would Gabor Vona, tar & feather him & send him out on a rail or just be indifferent?

The thing is that they would not visit Turkey, not seek us as supporters or allies.
As I said, nationalism is nothing like socialism or communism. We do not have a "nationalist international" type of an organisation where nationalists from all countries come to decide on a common course of action.

And if they were to visit Turkey, I personally would not be showing any kind of reaction as our enemies are not the Golden Dawn, but I hardly count them amongst our allies.
I merely respect their course of action regarding their own people.
Quote:It sounds like many of you are trying to put the genie back in the bottle. The ability to get anywhere in the world in a day's travel and instant global communication has shattered the lamp. The sad part is that instead of embracing and sharing cultural differences, some want to glue the lamp back together in order to exclude others and keep cherished traditional bigotry.
for all.
Embracing and sharing cultural differences is nationalism.
Internationalism on the other hand is bent on destroying cultural differences in favor of a single humanity, as humanity can never be whole unless it has a single consciousness, just like nation, which would require a single race, single culture, single language, and single heritage.

Quote:Nationalism breaks down to nothing more than a marketing term for tribalism; my tribe is good, others are bad. If your approximation of utopia is the Balkanization of the entire planet, do your best. I and the majority of other humans will feverishly oppose you. In my travels and experience I have concluded that all humans share the exact same basic needs and desires. We have been taught to achieve these in various ways due to our traditional relative isolation, but we are now able to learn from one another and integrate culturally to the extent we offer mutual respect and tolerance.

I'm saddened knowing some want to crawl back in and rabidly protect their cave; which, is only their's by the accident of birth. Dining at the smorgasbord of life is much better
Nationalism is not an ideology based on reaction to another nation.
But it can be the cause of reaction to another nation if the interests of these two nations are in conflict. This is the natural order of the world.
We're not advocating balkanisation, as we cannot divide humanity at will, it already has been defined with lines that have been moulded throughout centuries, lines that you too, must respect.
Languages, cultures, ethnicities, they were not created overnight.
The fact that humans, just like animals, share the same basic needs, does not make for a solid identity, and does not inspire people. A slave too can have its most basic needs when his master grants him, but the need for liberty is one that is reserved for those who have higher aspirations than what we deem to be basic needs.
As for your mutual respect and tolerance, and "cultural integration", all I see is the utter disrespect and intolerance of the international "culture" of materialism that forces others to integrate into its mentality, and to forsake their cultures and traditions, just so they can market their goods better.
How well are you integrated in my culture? How much do you know about it?
You don't, since the international cultural domination is not based on actual culture, but on an artificial, rootless culture that everyone can associate to, but while doing that, lose their own identities aswell, just so they can fit into "world citizenship".
Your views are flawed and naive.
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On the logic of nationalism - by kılıç_mehmet - January 28, 2014 at 6:49 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by paintpooper - January 28, 2014 at 6:54 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by kılıç_mehmet - January 28, 2014 at 7:01 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by Cato - January 28, 2014 at 6:57 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by EgoRaptor - January 28, 2014 at 7:02 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by kılıç_mehmet - January 28, 2014 at 7:07 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by EgoRaptor - January 28, 2014 at 7:08 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by paintpooper - January 28, 2014 at 7:10 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by kılıç_mehmet - January 28, 2014 at 7:06 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by TAW - January 29, 2014 at 5:28 am
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by EgoRaptor - January 28, 2014 at 7:07 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by kılıç_mehmet - January 28, 2014 at 7:11 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by EgoRaptor - January 28, 2014 at 7:41 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by paintpooper - January 28, 2014 at 8:35 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by EgoRaptor - January 28, 2014 at 8:50 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by Cato - January 28, 2014 at 7:30 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by paintpooper - January 28, 2014 at 7:40 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by Cato - January 28, 2014 at 8:41 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by paintpooper - January 28, 2014 at 8:44 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by kılıç_mehmet - January 28, 2014 at 8:50 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by Ryantology - January 28, 2014 at 8:50 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by kılıç_mehmet - January 28, 2014 at 8:30 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by Anomalocaris - January 28, 2014 at 8:40 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by Cato - January 28, 2014 at 8:56 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by kılıç_mehmet - January 28, 2014 at 9:42 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by kılıç_mehmet - January 28, 2014 at 9:20 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by EgoRaptor - January 28, 2014 at 9:24 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by Ryantology - January 28, 2014 at 9:30 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by ThePinsir - January 28, 2014 at 9:43 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by EgoRaptor - January 28, 2014 at 9:46 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by kılıç_mehmet - January 28, 2014 at 10:26 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by Ryantology - January 29, 2014 at 2:03 am
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by Assimilate - January 29, 2014 at 11:37 am
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by Whateverist - January 29, 2014 at 11:55 am
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by kılıç_mehmet - January 29, 2014 at 12:24 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by TAW - January 29, 2014 at 2:51 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by paintpooper - January 29, 2014 at 2:55 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by TAW - January 29, 2014 at 3:02 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by Assimilate - January 29, 2014 at 12:50 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by kılıç_mehmet - January 29, 2014 at 1:43 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by Assimilate - January 29, 2014 at 1:54 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by kılıç_mehmet - January 29, 2014 at 2:10 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by downbeatplumb - January 29, 2014 at 1:58 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by downbeatplumb - January 29, 2014 at 1:40 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by paintpooper - January 29, 2014 at 2:45 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by kılıç_mehmet - January 29, 2014 at 3:28 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by TAW - January 29, 2014 at 3:41 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by paintpooper - January 29, 2014 at 3:47 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by TAW - January 29, 2014 at 3:52 pm
RE: On the logic of nationalism - by kılıç_mehmet - January 29, 2014 at 5:53 pm

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