On the logic of nationalism

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Internationalism has only just begun.

Just begun? The Soviets were once the paradise every internationalist looked up to. They fell. Now, the international corporations are facing resistance from the countries they have sought to exploit, nationalism is in rise, everywhere in Europe.
So, as an internationalist, what are your plans for the future? Egoraptor, no matter how ridiculous, has a plan. World conquest.
Let me hear yours.

That's just the point, though. No culture remains the same long enough to become singularly dominant. However, elements of their cultures still pervade. Last I checked, the Romans invented the republican form of government your country uses.

So? The type of government we are using was brought in overnight, and can be changed overnight. Types of government are rather specific to time and place. Turks had used numerous types of governments throughout their reign in Eurasia. Before this one, we had a long lasting Islamic government mixed with laws based on Turkish tradition.

But the nation remained, they didn't become Arabs throughout the 1000 years of our Islamic past, we won't become Euros in 90 years.
Not to mention that Europeans do not want us either. They hate us more than anyone else.

And while the majority of Europe shows no significant signs of Turkish cultural influence, people in your country use a European-derived system of government, many dress in European-styled clothing, host to hundreds of European companies in modern buildings styled after those of Europe, and Europe hasn't been trying for years to get into the Turkish Union.

Well, doesn't matter.
We've left a definite mark in Europe, than Europe left on us. As I said, we were not even originally from this place. We only considered the use of a Euro-style government at the beginning of the 20th century, while Turkish presence was in Europe for more than a 1000 years.
Besides, the Turkish Union has not yet been established as a political entity, but when it is, we will topple the established power structure in the world.

The reason we can't get into the EU is due to the fact that we aren't Europeans. They don't want us there. I can honestly say that I'm okay with that, I would have done the same.

A prospect which has worked out in the long run a total of zero times. Your old fascist buddies in Italy and Germany had the same idea. But good luck anyway.

Long run? We've established ourselves as an alien people in these lands and managed to oust its inhabitants, who were inheritors to some of the greatest civilisations the world has ever seen, and we've gained nothing in the long run?
Zero eh? It would have amounted to zero if after 1000 years, the Europeans managed to drive us back to Asia. But Turks are even yet prominent as a wealthy and prestigeous minority in the rest of the Balkan nations. When not plagued by idleness and laxity, when driven by a grand purpose and ideal, we are capable of great many things.

But, we're not concerned with going on about invading everyone. We just want to liberate our own from foreign rule, and then live in harmony with the nations around us. Our founding father had said once: "Peace at home, peace in the world".
We wish for peace, not war.
It is not the nationalists who are starting wars around the globe.

The greatness of the old is dead. Successful nations aspire to build their own, new greatness. They don't prop up their grandfather's corpses on a dusty old throne.

That is not what we are doing.
But the past serves as a point of reference for our future greatness. Nations without a past, cannot look up to the future. And we have a past, a past that we can look up to for future greatness. Even the nations who don't have much to show for, do so.
Even the blacks in your country try to create a "past" for themselves even if its artificial, so that they can look up to them for the future.
They claim that the Egyptians and Cartheginians were black so that they can at least have a sense of past greatness to aspire to anything other than being the slave of the white man in the future.
We don't need that. We already have so much to show for.

I guess in that corner of the world it rates as something resembling impressive. And in a hundred years, it will either not exist anymore or be unrecognizable to anyone alive today.

As long as there is even one of us alive, we'll rise again.

In your corner of the world, which is America, impressive amounts to brutalizing natives with stones and sticks, avoiding the conflicts of the old world, and joining only after it has been sufficiently prepared for you to go and reap the harvest. That's what you've done in both world wars, from the safety of your far-away continent, you have not really been in the line of fire.
We on the other hand have lasted for 1000 years in a hostile environment with enemies all around and facing internal strife at the same time. I think we amount to a much higher grade than yourselves.
And within a 100 years, we'll still be here, though I'm not sure where you'll be.

Which, as the saying goes, talks and the bullshit walks.

The dogs bark only until the wolf begins to howl.

Certain aspects of nationalism in terms of barring international corporations from meddling with other nations is positive but what I don't like is the culture derived from incredibly nationalistic nations. There's no reason why one nation of individuals should pride themselves over another nation just because of where they were born. It draws social lines that shouldn't exist and alienates people. We should all do our best to help those around us and the only way to make this world better is to start at home by making our countries stronger but I've always seen the nationalistic-patriotism to be reprehensible and just a control mechanism for the government.

If you do not pride yourself, why would you even strive to protect your nation?
Without pride, a nation will gladly sell itself out, it will be nothing more than a nation corrupt, and untrustworthy. A proud nation, on the other hand, you trust to be honest, you can trust to face hardships.

A nation without pride will be nothing more than prey to nations with pride, my friend. You can only make world worse by claiming that the nations ought not to be proud of themselves.
And surely, in todays world, where nationalism is being actively attacked by governments, being a nationalist amounts to nothing more than facing more hardships, and perhaps even going against your own government.

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The embrace of a bunch of imaginary lines and the refusal to accept culture evolution. Nationalism is a joke because it'll never work, what they're fighting for is unrealistic. Not to mention the notion from nationalist that internationalism has failed, how has it failed? It's basically just started, and with people that are so obsessed with their historical past maybe they do better if they started looking at things a little better in this century.

How it has failed? It has failed by denying the ethnic, linguistic and cultural parameters that divide the people of the world. Denial of the truth of the world.
The world today is defined by nation states. The multiethnic empires of the old have collapsed. Macedonia, Rome, the great Mongol Empire, the Ottomans, Great Britain and lastly, the Soviet Union have withered and died away, giving rise to many nation states that exist today.

Nationalism has already worked. The fact that my country, or any countries exist is due to nationalism.
Else, the Greeks would never have revolted against our rule. The Indians would not have challenged the British rule over India.
The Suez canal would still be in the hands of the British, and Israel wouldn't exist.
Nationalism defined the world as we know today, it was the logical conclusion that the peoples of the world came to after years and years of "cultural evolution" as you said, that actually defined todays nations.