On the logic of nationalism

[kılıç_mehmet]

I don't know in which US state people speak an english that is as unintelligible as yours, but from what I could gather, America is a place that lacks even the most basic forms of social cohesion. They are not concerned with social justice, nor caring for their fellow kin. They lack the basic characteristics of a nation, and the people are only concerned with their own self-interest. Their familal values are degrading, and morality is waning, they are becoming more and more dependent on the brain and muscle power of foreigners that immigrate again, for personal gain.
A prominent Turkish nationalists had spoken about this many years ago, saying: "America is an abomination. A rootless collection of bandits. They will get what deserve. We as e a nation of extensive history and many humane values and virtues, should cut off every relation with them."

1930? I think you have confused your dates.
Nationalism was around for longer than that. And it aided in the creation of modern Ireland, India and many other countries.

So, in other words, go for insults and degrade America through media interpretation and avoid talking about what Turkey nationalism can actually bring to your nation... got it.

America has problems, but different regions have different issues and views. My point was cultural acceptance isn't what creates the problems in my country, which you seemed totally blind of while spewing your nonsense. Nationalism wont stop your short comings, it'll just create more.

We do not even need to do that. The USA is eventually going to destroy itself. Since it has no real roots, nothing that could provide social cohesion, the American government resorts to creating a public enemy image once in a while to create solidarity.

Turkish nationalism can bring more to my nation than American imperialism or international corporate interests. Obviously it can bring more than the rootless liberalism, cosmopolitanism, and other foreign ideologies that do not match out national character.
Indeed, nothing in this world is perfect, and neither are we. But I know that our shortcomings are due to a lack of nationalism, rather than the presence of it. It is due to a lack of nationalist sentiment that we get caught in the middle of things that do not concern us. It is due to a lack of nationalism that we turn a blind eye when foreigners come to buy our national resources. It is a lack of nationalism that pacifies us to a degree that we simply want to be left alone by criminals that walk our streets.
It is due to a lack of nationalism that we haven't hanged every one of the two-faced assholes in the parliament.
It is due to a lack of nationalism that we bow down to minorities.
It is due to a lack of nationalism that we turn a blind eye to the deaths and torture that our brethren endure in Iraq, China and Iran.
It is due to a lack of nationalism that we do not care about social justice anymore.
It is due to a lack of nationalism that we're becoming more lazy, and more concerned with personal gain.

Nationalism is the remedy to all these problems.

1930? I think you have confused your dates.
Nationalism was around for longer than that. And it aided in the creation of modern Ireland, India and many other countries.

Including pakistan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India

Which created horror. The nationalism in Ireland led bloodshed that has not ended.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/troubles

Nationalism is just another way to divide people and always leads to conflict.

I am against it for that reason.

Lets examine the cases one by one.
The muslims of India, are a minority in comparison to the Hindoos. Years before the English, Muslims were the reigning power in India, and they had developed a consciousness that has brought with it a shred of pride. They would not accept the rule of the hindus, so they wanted a country for themselves. Gandhi was initially opposed to it, but even he gave way, for he wanted to sway over Jinnah by making the president of India a Muslim person, but when he was told that the Hindus would not stand for it, he eventually agreed. And to be honest, the transition was hard, but it was necessary.
The British have already told Gandhi, that if they were to leave, the country and its religious minorities would fall into disarray. Gandhi said that it would be the problem of the people of India, not the problem of the English.
Independence came at a price, as it did for us, aswell. We have lost thousands of our people when fighting our war for independence.

And same for the Irish. They have a right to detest the English presence on their Island, and for that purpose, they have chosen to fight.
The spirit of nationalism is the spirit of sacrifice. Its not for the faint hearted, its not for cowards, not for those who live in fear of death most of their lives. Its not for those who are too comfortable sitting on their asses.
The spirit of slavery on the other hand...
Avoid conflict, avoid deaths, submit, and you'll be fine.