On the logic of nationalism

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I don't even know if I want to continue this dialogue with you after reading some of the disingenuous remarks you made.

Which are?

You sit there and tell me I'm completely wrong about my convictions of wanting a better world for the people while knowing literally nothing of my political stances.

I also want a better world for the people. Though really I don't think I'll be surprised by your political stance.
Please elaborate if you wish to share it, then we can continue the discussion from there.

You're trying in vain to tear apart what I stand for while having nothing to tear apart.

I am not trying to tear anything apart as I also know that you have nothing to tear apart.

It's a shameful display and I think you're just reacting poorly to the remarks I made against nationalism.

I'm reacting poorly? I think I reacted at least respectfully by replying to every single of your remarks one by one, while you simply disregarded my answers by calling them "poor". I don't think that we're discussing anything on the same level of respect, as it seems.

. I could be wrong but I'd rather this be a formal discussion rather than playing petty games of saying that I don't have the people's best interests at heart.

I have merely stated that everyone has their own people's best interests in heart.
And I stand by my words that this holds true today.

I'm telling you things that I've noted as being an American citizen and dealing with plenty of "nationalists" in the red state of Arizona.

By nationalist, I guess you're referring to the generic white nationalist types, or the more civic American nationalist type?

I'm not having at you, I'm having at the experience I've had with nationalists.

So we're not going to base this discussion on ideology, but rather on your personal experience with nationalists. I cannot really say anything before really knowing their reasoning first, so maybe you ought to elaborate on your "personal experience" a bit more.

Is it so incredible that people align themselves as nationalists in the border state with Mexico?

What exactly is your point?

If you want their stances, you should seek them out as it's ridiculous for me to sit here and try to act like an agent of their word.

Well, it was you who gave them as an example. Since this is a discussion based on ideology, and not personal experiences, I guess the best you can do is to provide us with an outline of their ideology and their manifesto and the exact points with which you disagree.

Also, the insinuation that they're not "true nationalists" is such a cop out.

Well, a nationalist is usually someone with a solid ideology, and true to his views in both thought and action.

"Oh, well he may claim to have the same views as me but he's not a 'true X' because I don't like what he's saying."

Obviously no, but I cannot really classify someone as a nationalist if they support a party that attends yearly socialist international meetings now can I? Similarly, I cannot classify someone as a nationalist if they support ideals that are in complete opposite to the basic tenets that are shared by most nationalist ideologies on earth.

There is so much ideological garbage on earth that people don't seem to know what is what most of the time.