(February 9, 2014 at 8:10 am)max-greece Wrote: 1. We do not no how or if causality applies outside of this universe.
Outside the universe you have God, though he's within the universe as well. Transcendent to the creation and immanent within it which is a good Biblical understanding though compatible which many other beliefs.
Quote:2. Causality would have to apply differently for God to be the answer.
God is the underlying context for existence, else nothing would exist at all. So you think things can exist for no reason at all but that's a point of view you can have, I'd disagree.
Quote:3. You have no way of eliminating multiple causes either individually or several causes working in tandem.
Just have one eternal self contained cause for everything whats the problem with that? If there's a problem with this premise feel free to point it out.
Quote:4. God merely adds a non-functional additional layer of complexity where it is not required.
So the universe just came intro existence out of nothing no reason and we're some kind an accident? Seems a bit like unlikely to me.
Quote:5. The whole point of this discussion is that we can eliminate the apparent need for God as the explanation on the basis of the probability argument.
The probability of intelligence noticing that the universe they live in is suitable for life is 100% either way. So it's just a question of what is the best and most valid context for it all. And God is the best context is God. There is the question of what God and what we know about him so you'll need some revelation of course but that's a different subject.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
