(February 11, 2014 at 9:07 am)Ben Davis Wrote: For this claim to be anywhere near substantial, you must first be able to demonstrate the existence of god and rigorously define its attributes.
That's exactly what I'm doing, attempting to do anyway though I suppose these points concerning Gods necessary existence it won't get through to anyone who really seriously invested in this materialist/naturalist philosophy. I would make it clear that it is a philosophy and a metaphysical belief not a know fact or even something we can obtain evidence to support. In a lot of ways it is somewhat the equivalent to a belief in God but on the opposite side.
Quote:Again nonsense. Heard of science?
Yes and most of the greatest scientists in history were theists. Science doesn't and can't prove or disprove the existence of God.
Quote:Yet more nonsense. No-one has ever demonstrated god but this electronic conversation is proof of materialism.
Is evidence of rational minds understanding the rationally created universe to harness the certain natural forces and implement them into a practical use. The basis for all of our science comes from the fact that the universe is rationally understandable and can be harnessed in such a way. It is not evidence for materialism nor is their any conflict between this and Gods existence if anything you could say a rationally ordered and structured universe likely had it's origins in a rational creative intelligence.
Quote:Nope. You only think that because you misunderstand the subject matter and the facts which support it.
It's fine to have an opinion but it helps to mention what you're basing it upon specifically. Your opinion by itself doesn't hold any authority.
Quote:Belief in the supernatural has nothing to do with the fully supported and logical fact that atheism is the default position and 'material' causes are the most documented explanations for the facts (as opposed to 'immaterial' causes which have never been any kind of explanation for anything ever).
The universe is material and everything within in it is the result of naturally occurring physical processes determined by the laws of physics created by God. So you're correct but you haven't demonstrated how science "disproves God". You will still need some kind of basis for reality/reason why it exists.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.