RE: Introducing The Universal Religion
February 12, 2014 at 8:42 am
(This post was last modified: February 12, 2014 at 8:58 am by Alex K.)
(February 12, 2014 at 8:34 am)Sword of Christ Wrote:Stop right there. First of all you don't know that it had a beginning. The spatial singularity, which you get by naively extrapolating backwards in time a radiation dominated universe in the Lemaitre-Friedman-Robertson-Walker Ansatz, is not real. Even if it had a clear temporal beginning as seen from the inside, this does not mean that something beyond the universe exists eternally: the word "eternal" isn't even defined in the slightest sense if you don't have a timeline independent of what you call our universe. If you have one, then the Big Bang isn't the beginning of that timeline and your argument has gone away.(February 12, 2014 at 3:13 am)Alex K Wrote: Causation is a concept which only has meaning inside a Universe with a timelike dimension and and lower than maximal entropy. Your sentence concerning "causing time" is meaningless.
The universe didn't exist eternally in itself if it had a beginning
Quote:therefore something else beyond the universe did exist eternally and was the cause of the existence of the universe. You this something you can just logically figure out there's no faith involved at this stage.It is true that there is no faith involved. Merely stringing together words that do not mean anything in the context in which you use them
Quote:Oh I understood that of course, let's not be sillyQuote:You define God as the "sphere.....", but provide neither an argument why such a thing is necessary, and if we assume it is, why it is anything Godlike at all (a very unlikely proposition) in your favourite sense.
Not a literal sphere it's a figure of speech.
Quote:But you can think of the universe as the playing pitch and a game of football is taking place on the pitch. We know that the pitch didn't always existSee above
Quote:therefore the pitch was made by something elseI've said it ten times now and I'll tell you again: causality is a meaningless concept outside a universe with a timelike dimension and low entropy
Quote: and it was made by someone with the intentionNo, your analogy does not work because time and space exist outside the pitch, and because we *know* the football pitch is human design.
of a game football being played on the pitch. If you knew nothing about what was outside the pitch you could at least figure that much out on your own without having to be told.